NBA Playoffs

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He has played better. Only cannon would deny that. I think they are about equal just with different roles. West is playing better defense now than he did when Gilbert use to torch him. He has played very well against turk although they are giving him a lot of help. Ariza has picked it up against carmello and i dont think anyone would confuse turk with as being as tough a cover as melo.

Overall, they are both role players with no real advantage overall.

West is better. But Ariza is simply playing better offense THIS series, mainly I think because Denver is not a good defensive team...Orlando is. I mean you can bend stats any way you want them. Wallace and Varejao shot 75 percent combined tonight. That doesn't mean they are good shooters as all 3 shots they made were layups. And you don't want them taking 25 shots combined a game. You still want all your shots coming from James, WEst, Williams, Ilgauskas regardless of whether they are making them or missing them.

but to take this one series and state flat out Ariza is better is ridiculous.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

West is better. But Ariza is simply playing better offense THIS series, mainly I think because Denver is not a good defensive team...Orlando is. I mean you can bend stats any way you want them. Wallace and Varejao shot 75 percent combined tonight. That doesn't mean they are good shooters as all 3 shots they made were layups. And you don't want them taking 25 shots combined a game. You still want all your shots coming from James, WEst, Williams, Ilgauskas regardless of whether they are making them or missing them.

but to take this one series and state flat out Ariza is better is ridiculous.

I didnt say he was better. I said they were about the same player.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I didnt say he was better. I said they were about the same player.

Ariza is a 6'8" forward, West is a 6'3" guard. What are you talking about they are the same player??

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Ariza is a 6'8" forward, West is a 6'3" guard. What are you talking about they are the same player??

Meaning they are both going to give about the same contribution overall if in different ways. Both are good defenders. Both are relied upon in their respective offenses as spot up shooters. Both will give you around 10 points per game. Delonte is better off the dribble and in the half court, Ariza fills the lane on the break much better.

Look at stats for the entire playoffs. Virtually the same and i think houston and utah play better defense than detroit and atlanta at this point.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Meaning they are both going to give about the same contribution overall if in different ways. Both are good defenders. Both are relied upon in their respective offenses as spot up shooters. Both will give you around 10 points per game. Delonte is better off the dribble and in the half court, Ariza fills the lane on the break much better.

Look at stats for the entire playoffs. Virtually the same and i think houston and utah play better defense than detroit and atlanta at this point.

Utah plays zero defense. I would not contend they play better defense than Atlanta. That is just silly claiming Utah plays better defense than Atlanta.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Utah plays zero defense. I would not contend they play better defense than Atlanta.

detroit and atlanta are 11th and 12th in defensive efficiency respectively. Utah was 14th...houston was 7th.

edit* remember also that Utah's best interior defender was out for a good part of the year. At wing, brewer and kirilenko would be the matchup and both are good defenders.

[horseofcourse]

Don't forget also...West broke his wrist and his offensive stats went down steadily upon his return working back into the rotation and offensive flow. This did happen.