NBA Playoffs

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

what say you on the bets...i need more money!

LOL. what is your opinion of trevor ariza? are he and delonte west on the same level as offensive players?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL. what is your opinion of trevor ariza? are he and delonte west on the same level as offensive players?

I don't follow the Lakers. They are meaningless to me as is that series. Delonte gave my 4 kids autographs in Salt Lake this year with a broken wrist at the time. He was somewhat understandable as well. I have a soft spot for the guy. So it is unfair to ask me comparisons. I think West plays well. Ariza has looked better in the conference finals without question however. Ariza has played better in the conference finals. over the whole season I have no clue what Ariza does.

[horseofcourse]

Goodness. I looked at the Lakers season stats, and I think it would be idiotic to compare their stats. Of course West plays more minutes so of course his scoring would be more....but their field goal pct was the same and West was far, far higher in 3 pt and free throw percentage. I would say Ariza is just having a good series is all. West not so much so far.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Goodness. I looked at the Lakers season stats, and I think it would be idiotic to compare their stats. Of course West plays more minutes so of course his scoring would be more....but their field goal pct was the same and West was far, far higher in 3 pt and free throw percentage. I would say Ariza is just having a good series is all. West not so much so far.

Interesting about the minutes. Despite playing ten more minutes per game, he averaged less than 3 points more and fewere steals, rebounds and blocks!

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Interesting about the minutes. Despite playing ten more minutes per game, he averaged less than 3 points more and fewere steals, rebounds and blocks!

Ariza's taking more shots per minutes. Who cares? Delonte West is a 6'3" guard, how many blocks is he supposed to get??

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I don't follow the Lakers. They are meaningless to me as is that series. Delonte gave my 4 kids autographs in Salt Lake this year with a broken wrist at the time. He was somewhat understandable as well. I have a soft spot for the guy. So it is unfair to ask me comparisons. I think West plays well. Ariza has looked better in the conference finals without question however. Ariza has played better in the conference finals. over the whole season I have no clue what Ariza does.

He has played better. Only cannon would deny that. I think they are about equal just with different roles. West is playing better defense now than he did when Gilbert use to torch him. He has played very well against turk although they are giving him a lot of help. Ariza has picked it up against carmello and i dont think anyone would confuse turk with as being as tough a cover as melo.

Overall, they are both role players with no real advantage overall.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He has played better. Only cannon would deny that. I think they are about equal just with different roles. West is playing better defense now than he did when Gilbert use to torch him. He has played very well against turk although they are giving him a lot of help. Ariza has picked it up against carmello and i dont think anyone would confuse turk with as being as tough a cover as melo.

Overall, they are both role players with no real advantage overall.

West is better. But Ariza is simply playing better offense THIS series, mainly I think because Denver is not a good defensive team...Orlando is. I mean you can bend stats any way you want them. Wallace and Varejao shot 75 percent combined tonight. That doesn't mean they are good shooters as all 3 shots they made were layups. And you don't want them taking 25 shots combined a game. You still want all your shots coming from James, WEst, Williams, Ilgauskas regardless of whether they are making them or missing them.

but to take this one series and state flat out Ariza is better is ridiculous.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

West is better. But Ariza is simply playing better offense THIS series, mainly I think because Denver is not a good defensive team...Orlando is. I mean you can bend stats any way you want them. Wallace and Varejao shot 75 percent combined tonight. That doesn't mean they are good shooters as all 3 shots they made were layups. And you don't want them taking 25 shots combined a game. You still want all your shots coming from James, WEst, Williams, Ilgauskas regardless of whether they are making them or missing them.

but to take this one series and state flat out Ariza is better is ridiculous.

I didnt say he was better. I said they were about the same player.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I didnt say he was better. I said they were about the same player.

Ariza is a 6'8" forward, West is a 6'3" guard. What are you talking about they are the same player??

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Ariza is a 6'8" forward, West is a 6'3" guard. What are you talking about they are the same player??

Meaning they are both going to give about the same contribution overall if in different ways. Both are good defenders. Both are relied upon in their respective offenses as spot up shooters. Both will give you around 10 points per game. Delonte is better off the dribble and in the half court, Ariza fills the lane on the break much better.

Look at stats for the entire playoffs. Virtually the same and i think houston and utah play better defense than detroit and atlanta at this point.