NBA Playoffs

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you really want to start quoting Charles Barkley? I mean seriously....

You said he couldnt guard PG's but when he was Cleveland was most successful. You said West wasnt a good defender but when he was matched against Turkaglu he wasnt effective.

Barkley and collins agree with me. You have king glorious on your side. I feel pretty confident about my position.

And if you can't comprehend what type of defense Cleveland was playing tonight despite me, charles and doug explaining it to you, I suggest the comprehensive class i will begin teaching next fall.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Barkley and collins agree with me. You have king glorious on your side. I feel pretty confident about my position.

And if you can't comprehend what type of defense Cleveland was playing tonight despite me, charles and doug explaining it to you, I suggest the comprehensive class i will begin teaching next fall.

what type of defense were they playing?? I'd like to know. I didn't see the game as at work. I know they play really good defense, but Orlando always lights them up...it is what scared me about the series. And shooting well over 50 percent tells me whatever they were doing wasn't good.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

what type of defense were they playing?? I'd like to know. I didn't see the game as at work. I know they play really good defense, but Orlando always lights them up...it is what scared me about the series. And shooting well over 50 percent tells me whatever they were doing wasn't good.

Cleveland opened up largely with Delonte West covering Hedo turkoglu and Lebron "covering" Rafer Alston. Lebron was playing a one man zone basically and the tactic surprised orlando. Lebron was doubling off the ball on howard and turk and giving rafer the outside shot. on the high pick and roll, lebron would roll with the screener leaving alston by himself. Lebron literally would let alston run anywhere he wanted to and double howard inside or turk outside.

In the second half, orlando made the adjustment. Alston hit a couple of shots and drove a couple of times instead of popping out. Cleveland switched and put lebron on turkoglu and then started doubling with one of their big men at the top against turk.

I would imagine they will scrap that plan next game.

[dalakhani]

Well, if it was just barkley, it would be one thing although i dont see how anyone would call him an "idiot". He is usually quite on point and his analysis is often spot on. Same with Doug Collins.

I didnt hear kenny or reggie disagreeing with hiim. Only cannon shell.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Well, if it was just barkley, it would be one thing although i dont see how anyone would call him an "idiot". He is usually quite on point and his analysis is often spot on. Same with Doug Collins.

I didnt hear kenny or reggie disagreeing with hiim. Only cannon shell.

Uh in case you missed the halftime show where Kenny Smith's pictures featured LeBron "matching up" with Alston, the point that they are making is totally different then our debate. He covered the PG, deal with it.

[dalakhani]

Fair enough. Some people like "the herd" and i think he is a fool. But what about Doug Collins? Does he know what he is talking about? Could both of these basketball lifers that werent even sitting in the same booth and who just coincidentally agree with me be wrong? And if they were, why didnt anyone disagree?

It was obvious to anyone without an agenda and with a semblance of a grasp of the sport what was happening tonight. As soon as Alston started hitting shots, Lebron stopped "guarding" him and switched to turkoglu. And as soon as that happened, Orlando went on their run. It was no longer 5 guarding 4.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Fair enough. Some people like "the herd" and i think he is a fool. But what about Doug Collins? Does he know what he is talking about? Could both of these basketball lifers that werent even sitting in the same booth and who just coincidentally agree with me be wrong? And if they were, why didnt anyone disagree?

It was obvious to anyone without an agenda and with a semblance of a grasp of the sport what was happening tonight. As soon as Alston started hitting shots, Lebron stopped "guarding" him and switched to turkoglu. And as soon as that happened, Orlando went on their run. It was no longer 5 guarding 4.

I doubt that they would agree with you on our disagreement. The point you are making is not relevant to Lebron James never guarding point guards or doing a good job of it. Just as if LeBron was matched up with Howard but roaming around looking to provide weakside help (not double as you put it) he would be matched up with a center. Regardless of the defensive intent in the matchup, there is no doubt that he was covering the point guard. I wont even bother misquoting Jerry west or asking him if he meant Center or PG when he talked about 4 positions.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I doubt that they would agree with you on our disagreement. The point you are making is not relevant to Lebron James never guarding point guards or doing a good job of it. Just as if LeBron was matched up with Howard but roaming around looking to provide weakside help (not double as you put it) he would be matched up with a center. Regardless of the defensive intent in the matchup, there is no doubt that he was covering the point guard. I wont even bother misquoting Jerry west or asking him if he meant Center or PG when he talked about 4 positions.

Just so you might some day understand the difference, the "weak side" is the opposite of where the ball is on the floor. When you rotate off the ball from the opposite side, that is considered "weak side" help. When you leave your man to help cover the post regardless of what side of the floor the ball or your "assignment" is on, thats called "doubling".

I will ask you questions on this next week for a gold star.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

We'll agree to disagree about Barkley. I find him entertaining, but not someone I would say is "usually quite on point" about anything.

Exactly how I feel about him.
He says what he feels.
Which is entertaining

But he really does not put much thought into
anything he says. Shoots from the hip.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Barkley and collins agree with me. You have king glorious on your side. I feel pretty confident about my position.

And if you can't comprehend what type of defense Cleveland was playing tonight despite me, charles and doug explaining it to you, I suggest the comprehensive class i will begin teaching next fall.

You said he couldnt be matched up against a pg, HE CLEARLY WAS!!!!!

What difference does it make why?????
Not only did you say he couldnt I believe you said he never was both of which was wrong. Did you think this was the first time Cleveland did this this season? Admit it, you were wrong. He can and does matchup on the defensive end with PG's. While he will most likely not match up with a Center in the near future and that debate will have to be continued, this one is over.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You said he couldnt be matched up against a pg, HE CLEARLY WAS!!!!!

What difference does it make why?????
Not only did you say he couldnt I believe you said he never was both of which was wrong. Did you think this was the first time Cleveland did this this season? Admit it, you were wrong. He can and does matchup on the defensive end with PG's. While he will most likely not match up with a Center in the near future and that debate will have to be continued, this one is over.

LOL. What happened to the white flags?

I wasnt wrong about anything. He was playing a one man zone. Besides, look back on the thread. I did say he could match up against bad pgs. Would you like me to grab that quote?

Charles Barkley agrees with me (nba hall of famer) and Doug Collins agrees with me (Michael jordan's coach) i feel pretty confident about my position.

Again, for the right price, i will start the intensive classes before fall.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL. What happened to the white flags?

I wasnt wrong about anything. He was playing a one man zone. Besides, look back on the thread. I did say he could match up against bad pgs. Would you like me to grab that quote?

Charles Barkley agrees with me (nba hall of famer) and Doug Collins agrees with me (Michael jordan's coach) i feel pretty confident about my position.

Again, for the right price, i will start the intensive classes before fall.

yeah Barkely is known for his x's and o's and Doug Collins managed to NOT win a title with Jordan. Why dont we just get Isiah's opinion to complete the triangle. One man zone, wing zone, twighlight zone....

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yeah Barkely is known for his x's and o's and Doug Collins managed to NOT win a title with Jordan. Why dont we just get Isiah's opinion to complete the triangle. One man zone, wing zone, twighlight zone....

So are you saying you know more about the sport than either? Please. Face it...those guys have forgotten more than you will ever know about the sport but yet you are still clinging to this hopelessly.

When you put up the white flags, i took you at your word.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So are you saying you know more about the sport than either? Please. Face it...those guys have forgotten more than you will ever know about the sport but yet you are still clinging to this hopelessly.

When you put up the white flags, i took you at your word.

People who are on TV are paid to entertain. They are paid to make the game enjoyable to those like you who actually pay attention to them. Those who understand the game and have regular conversations with others who also understand the game take all that is said on tv with a grain of salt. You refuse to understand that our disagreement has virtually nothing to do with the context of defense and everything to do with YOUR stubborn refusal to admit that LeBron James WAS matched up with an NBA playoff finals PG despite your assertions that he neither did or could. What Doug Collins, Charles Barkley or John Wooden say is meaningless in the context of your contention. You dont have to be a genius to see that what you said was simply wrong. He guarded the PG. I'm sure he will again.

[dalakhani]

[quote=Cannon Shell] LeBron James WAS matched up with an NBA playoff finals PG QUOTE]

LOL. You get funnier as you continue to reach. Its almost..kind of cute.

Rafer Alson is now a "NBA playoff finals" PG. LOL Do we have to go over that dignified list? Do you realize that Derek fisher, a man you called a BUM, is a NBA champion PG?

Does that change the fact that houston, a playoff team, gave alston away midseason for a backup? Alston is one of the worst pg's in the NBA.

Regardless, what you fail to understand is that it wasnt about position and lebron wasnt GUARDING him. Anything outside of that is an obtuse observation and i know you are not obtuse...just stubborn.