Rachel ran a good race, but...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by copying

Rachel ran a good race, but in victory, she was exposed as a good filly with distance limitations. MTB in defeat, found validation in his being a serious racehorse. If they go in the Belmont, I would think MTB would be favored over Rachel.

Cause there have been so many great fillies who could go 12 furlongs in the last 50 years, right? Especially against males?

The assumption that RA has distance limitations is ridiculous. Did you take into consideration how fast the pace was yesterday? She ran EVERYONE who participated in the pace into the ground. Very few horses are going to look fresh as a daisy after contesting those fractions and opening up at the quarter pole.

I find it hilarious that anyone would use the word "exposed" when desribing what happened yesterday at Pimlico. Unless of course you were talking about Friesan Fire, Pioneerof the Nile, or a couple of others.

NT

[copying]

All I hear is "she's the best 3 yo in the country" , "she's got the inside track on HOY". With those credentials, you would expect her to be the favorite in any race. I don't think she would be in the Belmont.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by copying

All I hear is "she's the best 3 yo in the country" , "she's got the inside track on HOY". With those credentials, you would expect her to be the favorite in any race. I don't think she would be in the Belmont.

Wow.

NT

[Danzig]

i had no idea eclipse voting was limited to betting favorites. altho i would disagree that rachel would not be favored should she run in the belmont. where the idea is coming from that she has distance limitations i don't know.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I find it hilarious that anyone would use the word "exposed" when desribing what happened yesterday at Pimlico. Unless of course you were talking about Friesan Fire, Pioneerof the Nile, or a couple of others.

NT

Friesan Fire is this year's Cowtown Cat. Anyone that gave him a shot either in the Derby or, laughably, the Preakness really needs to consider giving up the game.

As for PTN, he did his job by hitting the board in the Derby. Sent all the Beyerites into heavy SPIN mode.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Friesan Fire is this year's Cowtown Cat. Anyone that gave him a shot either in the Derby or, laughably, the Preakness really needs to consider giving up the game.

As for PTN, he did his job by hitting the board in the Derby. Sent all the Beyerites into heavy SPIN mode.

How exactly did his Derby do that? He ran the same figure he has been running all year.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

How exactly did his Derby do that? He ran the same figure he has been running all year.

Then he must've been fast enough to hit the board that day-- as he ran faster than horses that were previously faster than he was. What a conundrum. And, of course, the claim was that he wouldn't hit the board. Simple as that, Bro.

You should really stop by more often. It's brutal here (without you).

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Then he must've been fast enough to hit the board that day-- as he ran faster than horses that were previously faster than he was. What a conundrum. And, of course, the claim was that he wouldn't hit the board. Simple as that, Bro.

You should really stop by more often. It's brutal here (without you).

The race certainly changed when I Want Revenge scratched, and Dunkirk and Friesan Fire basically were no shows. Without those guys, there weren't many left that would above him. Even then, even the most novice handicapper probably realizes by now a mid 90s synthetic figure is probably as good as 100 on dirt.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The race certainly changed when I Want Revenge scratched, and Dunkirk and Friesan Fire basically were no shows. Without those guys, there weren't many left that would above him. Even then, even the most novice handicapper probably realizes by now a mid 90s synthetic figure is probably as good as 100 on dirt.

Yeah

The point was never made that this was an exceptional horse but only one that tries hard. There were some, however, who made it a point to base their wagering around this horse NOT hitting the board. Whatever the situation, when he did so, they were exposed; and went to great lengths to 'explain' this.

P.S. we both knew that Friesan Fire would be a no show, right?

[cmorioles]

I never considered FF a contender with his cushy trip win followed by a 7 week layoff.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Yeah

The point was never made that this was an exceptional horse but only one that tries hard. There were some, however, who made it a point to base their wagering around this horse NOT hitting the board. Whatever the situation, when he did so, they were exposed; and went to great lengths to 'explain' this.

P.S. we both knew that Friesan Fire would be a no show, right?

I really have no idea why you insist on continuing with this buffoonery. Surely you realize that Pioneer of the Nile didn't run particularly well in the Derby and then he failed to show at all this weekend. Surely you understand racing well enough that you can't possibly believe the jibberish you continue to spew about how Pioneer of the Nile supposedly proved all his critics wrong at Churchill Downs. You can't possibly believe this deliberately irrational crap that you write here day after day.

Honestly, what you are doing would be akin to me making post after post here about how Saturday's performance by Pioneer of the Nile perfectly displayed his abilities.

Move on.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Friesan Fire is this year's Cowtown Cat. Anyone that gave him a shot either in the Derby or, laughably, the Preakness really needs to consider giving up the game.

As for PTN, he did his job by hitting the board in the Derby. Sent all the Beyerites into heavy SPIN mode.

Need to consider giving up the game? Although I did not bet him for my own reasons but I can not fault anyone that took a stab with him for either the win/place slot. He fired a nice workout, top trainer and has some nice graded wins. With his odds your telling a lot of good handicappers to give up the game based on two races? Interesting......


Scat

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by scat daddy

Need to consider giving up the game? Although I did not bet him for my own reasons but I can not fault anyone that took a stab with him for either the win/place slot. He fired a nice workout, top trainer and has some nice graded wins. With his odds your telling a lot of good handicappers to give up the game based on two races? Interesting......


Scat

Do you really go by that name?

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

She ran EVERYONE who participated in the pace into the ground. Very few horses are going to look fresh as a daisy after contesting those fractions and opening up at the quarter pole.

Considering the pace, how he looked like a train wreck going into the gate, one start in so many months etc. Big Drama ran a massive race to be 5th. He's a really nice horse... my early pick for the King's Bishop.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Considering the pace, how he looked like a train wreck going into the gate, one start in so many months etc. Big Drama ran a massive race to be 5th. He's a really nice horse... my early pick for the King's Bishop.

I'll take Musket Man or Quality Road in there if their respective connections have to steer clear of the Travers for whatever reason.