Much respect to Mine That Bird

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

On synthetic, sure. But we've heard crowing for months about how great he's going to be on dirt, and he sucks on it. There are plenty of horses that are better than what we saw today.

So you don't think on dirt he'd be better normally than a horse like Luv Guv? Plenty that are better than they showed today? Like whom? The only ones that seem to be better than what they showed are Pioneer and Friesan Fire and since that's back to back horrible ones for FF, he may not be better.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

So you don't think on dirt he'd be better normally than a horse like Luv Guv? Plenty that are better than they showed today? Like whom? The only ones that seem to be better than what they showed are Pioneer and Friesan Fire and since that's back to back horrible ones for FF, he may not be better.

I'm done debating over the millionth excuse for this overhyped turf horse. The freaking horse was beaten 26 lengths in a terrificly exciting race, and we're talking about how much better he is than that. I'd rather talk about a horse that actually ran today. Have a nice day.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm done debating over the millionth excuse for this overhyped turf horse. The freaking horse was beaten 26 lengths in a terrificly exciting race, and we're talking about how much better he is than that. I'd rather talk about a horse that actually ran today. Have a nice day.

POTN 1,700,000 in winnngs, he runs one horrible race in his career and you say he's not as good as we say.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

POTN 1,700,000 in winnngs, he runs one horrible race in his career and you say he's not as good as we say.

Only one?? I see a few more than that in his PP's,and you can add today's race.He looks like another Lava Man,only can win in Socal.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Only one?? I see a few more than that in his PP's,and you can add today's race.

sure he has lost early in career but not this bad of a race . he's not 26 lenghts worse than these horses just a bad race some bumping good excuse as any

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

sure he has lost early in career but not this bad of a race . he's not 26 lenghts worse than these horses just a bad race some bumping good excuse as any

Maybe on an artificial surface he is not.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

sure he has lost early in career but not this bad of a race . he's not 26 lenghts worse than these horses just a bad race some bumping good excuse as any

He Su__ks!Period!!

[ArlJim78]

a terrific performance by the filly, a gutsy run from Mine That Bird to make it close, Musket Man proves he is solid and belongs near the top of the crop,
yet Pioneer of the Nile somehow still dominates the discussion?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

a terrific performance by the filly, a gutsy run from Mine That Bird to make it close, Musket Man proves he is solid and belongs near the top of the crop,
yet Pioneer of the Nile somehow still dominates the discussion?

This is what I'm saying. I'll never understand it. I'm done talking about slow horses, I'd rather talk about horses that actually run fast races and don't need 48 billion excuses.

[GPK]

Certianly all Pioneer of the Nile needs is 1 1/2 and the sweeping wide turns of Belmont, right?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

a terrific performance by the filly, a gutsy run from Mine That Bird to make it close, Musket Man proves he is solid and belongs near the top of the crop,
yet Pioneer of the Nile somehow still dominates the discussion?

He shouldn't dominate the discussion but his detractors are just being ridiculous. No matter the surface, he's not 26 lengths worse than Mine that Bird. Be honest. He's not worse than Luv Guv and Flying Private. He was better than Papa Clem on synthetic and in the Derby and today was destroyed by that horse. Perhaps he's not top 20 of his class on dirt. Perhaps he's best of his class on synthetics. But when a horse runs a race that's obviously well below his par after being very consistent up til then.....they are just being silly. His Derby didn't validate his backers and this Preakness didn't validate his detractors.

[Gauchos0522]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

POTN 1,700,000 in winnngs, he runs one horrible race in his career and you say he's not as good as we say.

One horrible races and countless races that were solid at the very best...He has still yet to run a legitimatly fast race regardless of earnings.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

POTN 1,700,000 in winnngs, he runs one horrible race in his career and you say he's not as good as we say.

omg

not the 'i'd love to own him' line of thinking....not that for sure! take the colt back to cali. win everything they've got..but for crying out loud, leave the dirt to the dirt horses.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

So you don't think on dirt he'd be better normally than a horse like Luv Guv? Plenty that are better than they showed today? Like whom? The only ones that seem to be better than what they showed are Pioneer and Friesan Fire and since that's back to back horrible ones for FF, he may not be better.

lol

if luv gov is the barometer...bury this sport now, cause it's dead and buried if he's the measuring stick. holy crap.