Garden City, Gazelle, & Man O' War

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Gander

If Cacique does lose this race, he surely will have an excuse. Every time he loses its because of something or another. Its never because he wasnt the best horse.

Kev, while I am not really for or against Go Deputy being "better" than English Channel, you can certainly make a case that the two are at least in the same league as far as right now goes. Go Deputy beat Relaxed Gesture as decisively as ENglish Channel beat him last time they ran. Go Deputy looked real good in the Sword Dancer and would have been very tough for any horse to handle that day. I would say the jury is still very much out although English Channel is more accomplished.

hard to agree with that. go deputy might be better right now and showing up could turn out to be a superstar. wide open race. cacique is no better than showing up or go deputy.

[Gander]

I agree King Glorious. Both on liking Teammate tomorrow and for thinking this year's 3yo fillies ar a mighty weak group. If Bushfire is teh leader of this division and Pine Island is the only other one who could"eclipse" her, than you know its weak.

Rev, not sure what you mean. I agree that you could argue that Go Deputy is as good right now as ENg Channel. And in no way do I like Cacique as my top choice or would I bet him. I just think hes a better bet than Showing Up.

[randallscott35]

Tomorrow is the day to bet Relaxed Gesture. When everyone gets off, you get on. 5-1 is not impossible in the least. Cacique always takes a ton of money. That's where I'll be.

[Gander]

I agree Randall. These are the types who take turns and tomorrow its RG's turn. Showing Up has never beaten a real good horse. Cacique has a knack of running 2nd. Go Deputy just got his win. Crown Point is a billygoat. Who else is there?

[randallscott35]

Tim, you are right, and I had Go Deputy last time to complete the Pick4 and didn't like Relaxed that day, but I think the horse is significantly better at Belmont than Saratoga. Plus Kent's ride last time defies words. Maybe the worst ride he's ever given, save for his abortion on Sweetsaint in the Derby.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Gander

I agree King Glorious. Both on liking Teammate tomorrow and for thinking this year's 3yo fillies ar a mighty weak group. If Bushfire is teh leader of this division and Pine Island is the only other one who could"eclipse" her, than you know its weak.

Rev, not sure what you mean. I agree that you could argue that Go Deputy is as good right now as ENg Channel. And in no way do I like Cacique as my top choice or would I bet him. I just think hes a better bet than Showing Up.

i was arguing with your statement that if cacique loses he will have an excuse. i think he could get a perfect trip and lose to showing up or go deputy. they both could just be better horses. showing up and go deputy are clearly running on all cylinders right now. go deputy looks to be over all his health issues and he just won a grade 1 and won the bowling green right before that.

[Gander]

Rev- I was being very tongue in cheek. Every time this horse loses its someone going to slow, him getting a bad ride, blah blah blah. He wires a field going easy fractions on Bel Day and hes a superstar. I'm not buying it.

This group of older turf horses is pretty good but they are turn takers. You cant make an argument that any one of them is that much better than the rest.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Gander

Rev- I was being very tongue in cheek. Every time this horse loses its someone going to slow, him getting a bad ride, blah blah blah. He wires a field going easy fractions on Bel Day and hes a superstar. I'm not buying it.

This group of older turf horses is pretty good but they are turn takers. You cant make an argument that any one of them is that much better than the rest.

i could not agree more. the older american turf horses are nice horses that just keep beating each other. it would be nice if showing up or after market became a star. america needs a great turf horse.