NBA Playoffs

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Lewis scored off the dribble like five times in the first half of last night's game alone, so you don't know what you're saying. And the "feed the post and create space" strategy only works if you have a big that can't be shut down one-on-one. Howard can't do a damn thing against Perkins one-one-one, so the Celtics can stay glued to the shooters.

Stop listening to what "analysts" say about the Magic and actually watch them. Howard has been a non-factor on offense this series, even when he's getting touches. Freaking Gortat has done a better job in the post.

Lewis nor Turkeyglue have scored consistently off the dribble
when it really counts. The Celtics rarely double them off the dribble
outside. They want them to drive into traffic. They dont want wide
open jumpers (which apparently went south also when they were tired).

On the other hand you have Orlando double teaming Pierce and Allen
outside just to get the ball out of their hands. Aint happening the
other way around.

Agree with Howard. I think he is relatively weak lower body. He is easy to move on or tie up on the offensive boards. He is not getting easy standing putbacks. Howard is feeling body and he does not like it. Defensively he is a huge asset. Just stupid.

All of the above is of course... imo.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Lewis nor Turkeyglue have scored consistently off the dribble
when it really counts. The Celtics rarely double them off the dribble
outside. They want them to drive into traffic. They dont want wide
open jumpers (which apparently went south also when they were tired).

On the other hand you have Orlando double teaming Pierce and Allen
outside just to get the ball out of their hands. Aint happening the
other way around.

Agree with Howard. I think he is relatively weak lower body. He is easy to move on or tie up on the offensive boards. He is not getting easy standing putbacks. Howard is feeling body and he does not like it. Defensively he is a huge asset. Just stupid.

All of the above is of course... imo.

We agree. I know they don't consistently score off the dribble, but they're not totally incapable, and they've been more successful off the dribble this series than Howard has been in the post. It's not even close.

[King Glorious]

What you aren't getting is that the ONLY reason they can get anything is because of Howard's presence in the middle. It's the same thing that happened with the Lakers and Miami. When Shaq was with LA, everybody shot higher percentages and the team was among the league leaders in fg percentage. Miami was nowhere near the top. Once they traded Shaq to Miami, it totally switched around. The presence of an inside threat is going to open up the floor for the outside guys. It's been that way since the beginning of the game. Howard doesn't have to be a guy that can score 30 a night. He has to be a guy that the defense has to respect that his team can go to him inside and he can consistently get you 20 a night and on given nights go for 30+. When you don't even go inside to him and the defense has to pay no attention to him, then you get what you got last night. Guys running around throwing up airballs and trying to create off the dribble too much. Howard doesn't have to score but he is a threat to score and has to be respected when he gets the ball. By not giving him the ball at all, you are only hurting yourself.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

What you aren't getting is that the ONLY reason they can get anything is because of Howard's presence in the middle. It's the same thing that happened with the Lakers and Miami. When Shaq was with LA, everybody shot higher percentages and the team was among the league leaders in fg percentage. Miami was nowhere near the top. Once they traded Shaq to Miami, it totally switched around. The presence of an inside threat is going to open up the floor for the outside guys. It's been that way since the beginning of the game. Howard doesn't have to be a guy that can score 30 a night. He has to be a guy that the defense has to respect that his team can go to him inside and he can consistently get you 20 a night and on given nights go for 30+. When you don't even go inside to him and the defense has to pay no attention to him, then you get what you got last night. Guys running around throwing up airballs and trying to create off the dribble too much. Howard doesn't have to score but he is a threat to score and has to be respected when he gets the ball. By not giving him the ball at all, you are only hurting yourself.

I think Howard has done a poor
job of being physical and getting seals for easy
passes. He is standing straight up asking for the ball.
He is not working very hard to receive the
ball in good position, which for him is very close to the
basket.

He needs to get his damn butt into someones legs
elbow out and ask for the ball at the right time. Like after
the ball has moved around away from him and is on
its way back. He is totally relying on his athletic ability
and forgetting any sort of technique. Taking the lazy
route.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Howard doesn't have to score but he is a threat to score and has to be respected when he gets the ball. By not giving him the ball at all, you are only hurting yourself.

Holy God. You clearly haven't been watching this series. The guy can't score outside of three feet, and he's not strong enough to back down Perkins or even Davis. He's been completely exposed in this series, and comparing him to Shaq in his prime is so ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. If he can't score one-on-one and the Celtics are never going to double him, throwing the ball to him in the post every possession is a hindrance, not a necessity.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

How low class are you when you have red lips tattooed high up on the side of your neck?

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

How low class are you when you have red lips tattooed high up on the side of your neck?

You are next on the list after he
beats up Mark Cuban.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Right under his ear. He can't even cover that for a funeral (not even with a turtleneck.)