NBA Playoffs

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Maybe he's effective in the post against smaller teams, but against the Celtics, he can't score one-on-one against Perkins, and he's struggled against Big Baby as well. The Celtics also are not going to double him in the post, nor should they, so really, what the hell is he talking about? Maybe during the regular season against smaller post players he's imposing, but in this series he's been punked in the post over and over. So for him to blame an epic team choke on him not getting the ball in the post is total nonsense.

Also, you're wrong about Turkoglu and Lewis. They both can score off the dribble. It's not their calling cards, but they can do it, and they've both been way more successful off the dribble in this series than Howard's been in the post.

I don't think Lewis has created off the dribble in his entire life. Every analyst out there has said the same thing. The Orlando offense works best when it goes inside first and that creates the open spaces for the shooters. That's basketball 101. Even when your dominant player is a wing player like Cleveland or LA, it still opens up the floor to have an inside threat. Cleveland's offense is better when Ilgauskas is on the court. The Lakers offense is better when Bynum is doing his thing inside. When teams don't have to respect the inside game, they get up on the shooters and make it that much harder for them. Howard doesn't have to get the ball to get 20 shots a game but when the don't even go inside to him to even be a threat to score, they are going to struggle big time.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't think Lewis has created off the dribble in his entire life. Every analyst out there has said the same thing. The Orlando offense works best when it goes inside first and that creates the open spaces for the shooters. That's basketball 101. Even when your dominant player is a wing player like Cleveland or LA, it still opens up the floor to have an inside threat. Cleveland's offense is better when Ilgauskas is on the court. The Lakers offense is better when Bynum is doing his thing inside. When teams don't have to respect the inside game, they get up on the shooters and make it that much harder for them. Howard doesn't have to get the ball to get 20 shots a game but when the don't even go inside to him to even be a threat to score, they are going to struggle big time.

Lewis scored off the dribble like five times in the first half of last night's game alone, so you don't know what you're saying. And the "feed the post and create space" strategy only works if you have a big that can't be shut down one-on-one. Howard can't do a damn thing against Perkins one-one-one, so the Celtics can stay glued to the shooters.

Stop listening to what "analysts" say about the Magic and actually watch them. Howard has been a non-factor on offense this series, even when he's getting touches. Freaking Gortat has done a better job in the post.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Lewis scored off the dribble like five times in the first half of last night's game alone, so you don't know what you're saying. And the "feed the post and create space" strategy only works if you have a big that can't be shut down one-on-one. Howard can't do a damn thing against Perkins one-one-one, so the Celtics can stay glued to the shooters.

Stop listening to what "analysts" say about the Magic and actually watch them. Howard has been a non-factor on offense this series, even when he's getting touches. Freaking Gortat has done a better job in the post.

Lewis nor Turkeyglue have scored consistently off the dribble
when it really counts. The Celtics rarely double them off the dribble
outside. They want them to drive into traffic. They dont want wide
open jumpers (which apparently went south also when they were tired).

On the other hand you have Orlando double teaming Pierce and Allen
outside just to get the ball out of their hands. Aint happening the
other way around.

Agree with Howard. I think he is relatively weak lower body. He is easy to move on or tie up on the offensive boards. He is not getting easy standing putbacks. Howard is feeling body and he does not like it. Defensively he is a huge asset. Just stupid.

All of the above is of course... imo.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Lewis nor Turkeyglue have scored consistently off the dribble
when it really counts. The Celtics rarely double them off the dribble
outside. They want them to drive into traffic. They dont want wide
open jumpers (which apparently went south also when they were tired).

On the other hand you have Orlando double teaming Pierce and Allen
outside just to get the ball out of their hands. Aint happening the
other way around.

Agree with Howard. I think he is relatively weak lower body. He is easy to move on or tie up on the offensive boards. He is not getting easy standing putbacks. Howard is feeling body and he does not like it. Defensively he is a huge asset. Just stupid.

All of the above is of course... imo.

We agree. I know they don't consistently score off the dribble, but they're not totally incapable, and they've been more successful off the dribble this series than Howard has been in the post. It's not even close.

[King Glorious]

What you aren't getting is that the ONLY reason they can get anything is because of Howard's presence in the middle. It's the same thing that happened with the Lakers and Miami. When Shaq was with LA, everybody shot higher percentages and the team was among the league leaders in fg percentage. Miami was nowhere near the top. Once they traded Shaq to Miami, it totally switched around. The presence of an inside threat is going to open up the floor for the outside guys. It's been that way since the beginning of the game. Howard doesn't have to be a guy that can score 30 a night. He has to be a guy that the defense has to respect that his team can go to him inside and he can consistently get you 20 a night and on given nights go for 30+. When you don't even go inside to him and the defense has to pay no attention to him, then you get what you got last night. Guys running around throwing up airballs and trying to create off the dribble too much. Howard doesn't have to score but he is a threat to score and has to be respected when he gets the ball. By not giving him the ball at all, you are only hurting yourself.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

What you aren't getting is that the ONLY reason they can get anything is because of Howard's presence in the middle. It's the same thing that happened with the Lakers and Miami. When Shaq was with LA, everybody shot higher percentages and the team was among the league leaders in fg percentage. Miami was nowhere near the top. Once they traded Shaq to Miami, it totally switched around. The presence of an inside threat is going to open up the floor for the outside guys. It's been that way since the beginning of the game. Howard doesn't have to be a guy that can score 30 a night. He has to be a guy that the defense has to respect that his team can go to him inside and he can consistently get you 20 a night and on given nights go for 30+. When you don't even go inside to him and the defense has to pay no attention to him, then you get what you got last night. Guys running around throwing up airballs and trying to create off the dribble too much. Howard doesn't have to score but he is a threat to score and has to be respected when he gets the ball. By not giving him the ball at all, you are only hurting yourself.

I think Howard has done a poor
job of being physical and getting seals for easy
passes. He is standing straight up asking for the ball.
He is not working very hard to receive the
ball in good position, which for him is very close to the
basket.

He needs to get his damn butt into someones legs
elbow out and ask for the ball at the right time. Like after
the ball has moved around away from him and is on
its way back. He is totally relying on his athletic ability
and forgetting any sort of technique. Taking the lazy
route.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Howard doesn't have to score but he is a threat to score and has to be respected when he gets the ball. By not giving him the ball at all, you are only hurting yourself.

Holy God. You clearly haven't been watching this series. The guy can't score outside of three feet, and he's not strong enough to back down Perkins or even Davis. He's been completely exposed in this series, and comparing him to Shaq in his prime is so ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. If he can't score one-on-one and the Celtics are never going to double him, throwing the ball to him in the post every possession is a hindrance, not a necessity.

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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't think Lewis has created off the dribble in his entire life. Every analyst out there has said the same thing. The Orlando offense works best when it goes inside first and that creates the open spaces for the shooters. That's basketball 101. Even when your dominant player is a wing player like Cleveland or LA, it still opens up the floor to have an inside threat. Cleveland's offense is better when Ilgauskas is on the court. The Lakers offense is better when Bynum is doing his thing inside. When teams don't have to respect the inside game, they get up on the shooters and make it that much harder for them. Howard doesn't have to get the ball to get 20 shots a game but when the don't even go inside to him to even be a threat to score, they are going to struggle big time.

Ilgauskus scores at least half of his points on jumpshots, not inside. Howard isnt a very good passer out of the post. The guys game on the offensive end is strictly power and rebounds. The real story shouldnt be if he is correct in his complaint or not. It is him acting selfish by going public instead of airing his gripes in private. There is a reason that during crunch time in the Olympics that Chris Bosh was on the floor and not Howard.