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[justindew]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I completely agree with this... was going to post something similar but I figured someone else would!

Do you understand that I was not bragging about the prediction, and was instead defending the merits of the prediction against people who have said it was "stupid",etc.?

I have never said it was correct.

My God, this is madness.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by justindew

Do you understand that I was not bragging about the prediction, and was instead defending the merits of the prediction against people who have said it was "stupid",etc.?

I have never said it was correct.

My God, this is madness.

And you think I'm misunderstanding?

Earlier in this thread when you asked Brian which of your predictions he disagreed with you then followed up where you said, "You do realize he came within a half-length of winning a Grade I, right?"

Was that not an attempt to validate your prediction?

NT

[justindew]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

And you think I'm misunderstanding?

Earlier in this thread when you asked Brian which of your predictions he disagreed with you then followed up where you said, "You do realize he came within a half-length of winning a Grade I, right?"

Was that not an attempt to validate your prediction?

NT

Not at all. It was in response to Brian calling my prediction "sheer lunacy."

[Antitrust32]

I cant wait to see him try to explain his post to andy in the Derby re cap thread.

"Calling it a tie because the horse ran 2nd in a grade I before I made the bet was not an attempt to validate my prediction"

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I cant wait to see him try to explain his post to andy in the Derby re cap thread.

"Calling it a tie because the horse ran 2nd in a grade I before I made the bet was not an attempt to validate my prediction"

Come on.....surely you realize he was joking.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Come on.....surely you realize he was joking.

No. She does not. Humor, nuance, and irony are simply over the heads of 90% of the posters here.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

No. She does not. Humor, nuance, and irony are simply over the heads of 90% of the posters here.

And posts like this anger an even higher percentage of the posters than even I seem to manage to piss off.

Antitrust is actually one of the nicer people here.

Originally Posted by justindew

No. She does not. Humor, nuance, and irony are simply over the heads of 90% of the posters here.

So what you're saying is you'll be here all week?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Come on.....surely you realize he was joking.

when he brought it up again in this thread....

Oh

I'm going to shut up now.

[justindew]

Here's how....

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I cant wait to see him try to explain his post to andy in the Derby re cap thread.

"Calling it a tie because the horse ran 2nd in a grade I before I made the bet was not an attempt to validate my prediction"

[Antitrust32]

I wish there was a middle finger emoticon.

I'm out.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by justindew

Not at all. It was in response to Brian calling my prediction "sheer lunacy."

Originally Posted by justindew

No. She does not. Humor, nuance, and irony are simply over the heads of 90% of the posters here.

Speaking of nuance.

Like the part where NT continues to point out that the fact that Zanjero "almost" won a Grade I does not mean that having bet Zanjero to win a Grade I was any more a good decision than had he never come within 10 lengths of doing so?

Seriously, thank God you're here to ensure we meet that 10% threshold of people who understand things like nuance, right?

And I was actually starting to feel like the excessive amoun of crap you catch was unfair....and you just reminded me why it keeps happening.

Figures.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Speaking of nuance.

Like the part where NT continues to point out that the fact that Zanjero "almost" won a Grade I does not mean that having bet Zanjero to win a Grade I was any more a good decision than had he never come within 10 lengths of doing so?

Seriously, thank God you're here to ensure we meet that 10% threshold of people who understand things like nuance, right?

And I was actually starting to feel like the excessive amoun of crap you catch was unfair....and you just reminded me why it keeps happening.

Figures.

Do you agree that there is a difference between a losing bet and a dumb bet? All I have said is that the Zanjero prediction/bet was not dumb. Period.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by justindew

Do you agree that there is a difference between a losing bet and a dumb bet? All I have said is that the Zanjero prediction/bet was not dumb. Period.

Of course there is.

Having made this bet, you should know as well as anyone, however, that those two categories are not mutually exclusive.

[TheSpyder]

“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”

[justindew]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Of course there is.

Having made this bet, you should know as well as anyone, however, that those two categories are not mutually exclusive.

OK. So can you see that was I have been doing all along is defending my bet/prediction against those who have mocked it? I'm not saying "I was right" or "Give me credit." I'm saying "It was not a far-fetched proposition, especially since I got 10-1. Therefore, calling it a stupid bet is unfair."

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by justindew

Do you understand that I was not bragging about the prediction, and was instead defending the merits of the prediction against people who have said it was "stupid",etc.?

I have never said it was correct.

My God, this is madness.

Justin,

This is what you posted in that thread you started:

I disagree with this entire post.

And Zanjero came within half a length of winning a Grade I. We'll call that one a tie.

And Bittel Road has yet to appear in a claiming race. Score one for me.

I'll concede that Nobiz Like Shobiz was NOT the best of his generation.

Justin: 1
Andy: 1
Tie: 1
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by saying that people would assume you made the bet prior to Zanjero running second in a Grade I.

You really cant call it a tie when it happened before the bet is made...

You were wrong, and even more wrong when we all found out the horse was a 1/2 length loser in a Grade I BEFORE you made the bet.

So I'm just going to amend it for you.

Justin: 1
Andy: 2

and there is a good chance you will be down 3-0 after Bittle Road races some more.



The funny thing is, I think the Nobiz bet was the best one you made. He may have not been the best in his generation but he was a classy horse and had a very good career (relatively speaking).

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Justin,

This is what you posted in that thread you started:

I disagree with this entire post.

And Zanjero came within half a length of winning a Grade I. We'll call that one a tie.

And Bittel Road has yet to appear in a claiming race. Score one for me.

I'll concede that Nobiz Like Shobiz was NOT the best of his generation.

Justin: 1
Andy: 1
Tie: 1
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by saying that people would assume you made the bet prior to Zanjero running second in a Grade I.

You really cant call it a tie when it happened before the bet is made...

You were wrong, and even more wrong when we all found out the horse was a 1/2 length loser in a Grade I BEFORE you made the bet.

So I'm just going to amend it for you.

Justin: 1
Andy: 2

and there is a good chance you will be down 3-0 after Bittle Road races some more.



The funny thing is, I think the Nobiz bet was the best one you made. He may have not been the best in his generation but he was a classy horse and had a very good career (relatively speaking).

Andy and I both know I was kidding.

Also, the debate about Zanjero began months before I had ever even heard of this website. I made a bet with a fellow blogger on KentuckyDerby.com (whom Andy knows personally) that Zanjero would win a Grade I someday. My comment to Andy was referring to that initial prediction, which came BEFORE the Blue Grass Stakes. My initial post about that bet here was simply me not being afraid to keep score publicly.

I know it's hard for some to believe, but not all that happens happens on DerbyTrail.com.