Transcript of Zayat, Allen on HRTV

[DaTruth]

I haven't seen this much hatred involving a Preakness since the war of words between Woody Stephens and Gene Klein/Gary Stevens in 1988. Stephens called Gary a "stupid boy." Klein said Stephens belonged in the "Hall of Shame." Woody responded by calling Klein "crying Klein." DWL kept his mouth shut.

[declansharbor]

I know many here will not share this sentiment, but isn't it their job to give their horse the best chance of winning the race? Wouldnt doing whats better for the horse to win the 2nd jewel of the Triple Crown trump doing whats best for the sport/spectator? If entering a hopeless horse (Indy Express) to prevent the main threat (Rachel ALexander) from getting to the gate gives the horse the best chance to win the Preakness, they'd be idiots to not at least entertain the thought. Chicken$hit move or not, it certainly lies within the bounds of legality. (entering another horse to prevent another talent-superior horse from getting to the gate)

Is this move that different from entering a rabbit? I understand that rabbits, for the most part, dont prevent other win-eligible horses from entering, that they just throw a curveball into the race via pace scenarios.

The name of the game is to win the big races and to give your horse the best possible chance to win ced big races. If you rob the spectators/fans of the best possible matchup in doing so, so be it. I'm sure the fans would understand the dilemna a whole lot better if they were in Allen's shoes.

disclaimer:: I don't necessarily think that it's the right move from a sportsmanship standpoint, but I certainly would mull the idea over. Being that you have a healthy and talented enough horse to get the job done, the idea is to win the race by any legal means necessary, riiiight?.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Is this move that different from entering a rabbit? I understand that rabbits, for the most part, dont prevent other win-eligible horses from entering, that they just throw a curveball into the race via pace scenarios.

A good horse can overcome a pace scenario, but if owners conspire to keep a horse out by abusing the rules...

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

A good horse can overcome a pace scenario, but if owners conspire to keep a horse out by abusing the rules...

As EA sports would say, "If it's in the game, it's IN the game". Are they breaking the rules? or just abusing them?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I know many here will not share this sentiment, but isn't it their job to give their horse the best chance of winning the race? Wouldnt doing whats better for the horse to win the 2nd jewel of the Triple Crown trump doing whats best for the sport/spectator? If entering a hopeless horse (Indy Express) to prevent the main threat (Rachel ALexander) from getting to the gate gives the horse the best chance to win the Preakness, they'd be idiots to not at least entertain the thought. Chicken$hit move or not, it certainly lies within the bounds of legality. (entering another horse to prevent another talent-superior horse from getting to the gate)

Is this move that different from entering a rabbit? I understand that rabbits, for the most part, dont prevent other win-eligible horses from entering, that they just throw a curveball into the race via pace scenarios.

The name of the game is to win the big races and to give your horse the best possible chance to win ced big races. If you rob the spectators/fans of the best possible matchup in doing so, so be it. I'm sure the fans would understand the dilemna a whole lot better if they were in Allen's shoes.

disclaimer:: I don't necessarily think that it's the right move from a sportsmanship standpoint, but I certainly would mull the idea over. Being that you have a healthy and talented enough horse to get the job done, the idea is to win the race by any legal means necessary, riiiight?.

people enter rabbits to ensure a quick pace, not to keep a horse from even entering a race. apples vs oranges imo. if they think they have the best horse, run him and let's see. but this cowardly crap of entering a horse just to scratch, with no intention of running him? if it works, and RA doesn't run-then i would call a win by MTB not only a second miracle, but a hollow victory. not a sportsmanlike move at all. big difference between helping your own horse run his race and not letting another run at all.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Danzig

people enter rabbits to ensure a quick pace, not to keep a horse from even entering a race. apples vs oranges imo. if they think they have the best horse, run him and let's see. but this cowardly crap of entering a horse just to scratch, with no intention of running him? if it works, and RA doesn't run-then i would call a win by MTB not only a second miracle, but a hollow victory. not a sportsmanlike move at all. big difference between helping your own horse run his race and not letting another run at all.

I don't think any of them said they would enter a horse and then scratch it. Declan's Harbor's post I agree with, it IS like entering a rabbit, which obviously excludes others even if it's not the stated purpose. I personally don't like the use of rabbits anywhere, it's unfair to the rabbit, if nothing else.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

I don't think any of them said they would enter a horse and then scratch it. Declan's Harbor's post I agree with, it IS like entering a rabbit, which obviously excludes others even if it's not the stated purpose. I personally don't like the use of rabbits anywhere, it's unfair to the rabbit, if nothing else.

i was assuming they would enter other horses just to keep her out of the gate, but not run them-surely they weren't actually going to run another horse vs mine that bird? lol that would have been a kick in the pants if their add-in beat the prospective tc winner!!

i'd think for the most part, entering a rabbit won't necessarily oversubscribe a race. and yes, it can hurt a sure front-runner-but the horses all still have a shot rather than what would have happened here, a horse not even able to enter.

[lemoncrush]

This is ridiculous.
If they do conspire to keep her out, I hope Mine that bird and POTN both run up the track along with the other pigs they enter.
I'm no fan of Jess Jackson, but the horse deserves to run.

[herkhorse]

The way NBC is hyping the race, they sure want her to run.

My $ is on her being in the gate come Saturday

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

The way NBC is hyping the race, they sure want her to run.

My $ is on her being in the gate come Saturday

I think it's funny how they already have RA as the main attraction in the Preakness for their commercial...... I know she will be the main attraction, but wait til we see if she makes it or not.

On another note, I'm already trying to get an idea of my bets for the preakness and I'm between placing a nice size win bet on RA, or playing a bunch of exotics and use her in 2nd and 3rd.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Is this move that different from entering a rabbit?

Yes.

[rontheman1964]

Is it wrong for me to wish for Indy Express to run out of gas and impede Mine That Bird ruining his chance to win the Preakness???