Garden City, Gazelle, & Man O' War

I have to like Cacique here. He was held hard(like the rest of em) behind the Tim Man but still finished well. He has shown a liking for the course at Belmont as well. I think he should be ready for a prime effort.
Showing Up has shown talent against his contemporaries, but beating that small field of sub par grade one horses last out and beating grade one older horses are two different things. Edge to Cacique in this corner.

The Garden City is a little lacking in starpower. None of them get my blood racing.

In the Gazelle I think that both faves are vulnerable. Pine is back too quick for my taste off a very hard race, and the other one has been away too long.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I have to like Cacique here. He was held hard(like the rest of em) behind the Tim Man but still finished well. He has shown a liking for the course at Belmont as well. I think he should be ready for a prime effort.
Showing Up has shown talent against his contemporaries, but beating that small field of sub par grade one horses last out and beating grade one older horses are two different things. Edge to Cacique in this corner.

The Garden City is a little lacking in starpower. None of them get my blood racing.

In the Gazelle I think that both faves are vulnerable. Pine is back too quick for my taste off a very hard race, and the other one has been away too long.

I couldnt agree more. The Million is basically a throw out race for me for all who ran. The fractions were so slow that you really dont get a good indication how everyone ran. The closing time for Cacique was impressive in my opinion. I dont think they are going to go that slow in the Man O War. I agree with Gander and Oracle that Cacique gets it done here.

I am not thrilled with the Garden City either.

I think Pine Island rolls in the Gazelle.

[Gander]

I dont particularly care for Pine Island's running style and or the way hes been ridden. Havent figured out which yet. Anyways, this kind of style racing on dirt is going to get this horse beat in races she should win at short prices.
Teammate has had a tough time putting 2 in a row together but looms the main speed in here as I dont think Bushfire will try and outgun her, nor do I think Wild Fit is as quick. I give the edge to Teammate.

[Sightseek]

Any interesting baby races on the undercard?

[ateamstupid]

Just started looking and Saturday's opener is freaking tremendous.. Stakes quality N2X on grass to kick the card off, and there's really NO ONE you can toss.

1st Post Time (1:00)
1 Mile Turf Open 3 Year Olds And Up
Allowance - Purse:$48,000
Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 El Prado Rob Leparoux J R 120 0 L
2 Kiss the Kid Hill C 118 0 L
3 Ever a Friend Nakatani C S 118 0 L
4 Rebuttal Prado E S 122 0 L
5 Outperformance Castellano J J 118 0 L
6 Real Quality Gomez G K 120 0 FTL
7 Planets Aligned Espinoza J L 120 0 L
8 Crimson Sun Luzzi M J 120 0 Blk-Off L
9 Yankee Master Velasquez C 118 0 L
10 River City Rebel Migliore R 118 0 L
A-Coupled: Real Quality and Crimson Sun

[Gander]

there are 4 grade 1 winners in there. how can you say there is not one other horse?

I didnt say it wasnt lacking in quality. You misread my post. I said I couldnt form a solid opinion on just 1 horse to beat Cacique. You can make a case for every one of them. Its a great race, just not a race I would bet.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Gander

there are 4 grade 1 winners in there. how can you say there is not one other horse?

I didnt say it wasnt lacking in quality. You misread my post. I said I couldnt form a solid opinion on just 1 horse to beat Cacique. You can make a case for every one of them. Its a great race, just not a race I would bet.

my apologies. it just seems like the thread is very pro cacique. personally i would take the winners like showing up and go deputy over a horse that seems to have decided recently he likes to run second. yes i did lose money on him in the million.

[Gander]

Cacique has killed me this year but I got my revenge (and more) when I decided to bet the Tin Man to win in the Arl Mill.

His not winning on Derby Day crushed every live bet I had going at the time and they were huge.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Revolution

my apologies. it just seems like the thread is very pro cacique. personally i would take the winners like showing up and go deputy over a horse that seems to have decided recently he likes to run second. yes i did lose money on him in the million.

Did he just win his third race back? I wouldn't say the Million race was a matter of him taking a liking to second place. His loss to English Channel following in between those two races was a pretty solid run to.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Just started looking and Saturday's opener is freaking tremendous.. Stakes quality N2X on grass to kick the card off, and there's really NO ONE you can toss.

1st Post Time (1:00)
1 Mile Turf Open 3 Year Olds And Up
Allowance - Purse:$48,000
Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 El Prado Rob Leparoux J R 120 0 L
2 Kiss the Kid Hill C 118 0 L
3 Ever a Friend Nakatani C S 118 0 L
4 Rebuttal Prado E S 122 0 L
5 Outperformance Castellano J J 118 0 L
6 Real Quality Gomez G K 120 0 FTL
7 Planets Aligned Espinoza J L 120 0 L
8 Crimson Sun Luzzi M J 120 0 Blk-Off L
9 Yankee Master Velasquez C 118 0 L
10 River City Rebel Migliore R 118 0 L
A-Coupled: Real Quality and Crimson Sun

I have had Planets Aligned his last two races. His race on the 29th was wonderful. I think he has a little better competition in this one. But the horse is in great form. I will not be betting this race because it is hard to win 3 in a row. But I love this horse.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I have had Planets Aligned his last two races. His race on the 29th was wonderful. I think he has a little better competition in this one. But the horse is in great form. I will not be betting this race because it is hard to win 3 in a row. But I love this horse.

Actually, Planets Aligned lost eight days ago to Big Prairie and is wheeling back on short rest. He's one of the ones I would probably toss, although like I said, you can make a case for any horse in that race.

[pba1817]

Showing Up is another solid 3yo of this season. Everyone seems to agreet aht the 3yo's are better than the older horses this year, so why should this situation be any different??

I am excited to see him take on older horses in this race. I do think he wins with Cacique running a solid second. I also like Relaxed Gesture and Cosmonaut to hit the board.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Gander

Teammate has had a tough time putting 2 in a row together but looms the main speed in here as I dont think Bushfire will try and outgun her, nor do I think Wild Fit is as quick. I give the edge to Teammate.

Really? I think she hates one-turn 8f+ races at Belmont. She didn't run well there this summer, but rebounded to her spring form at Saratoga (2 turns).

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Really? I think she hates one-turn 8f+ races at Belmont. She didn't run well there this summer, but rebounded to her spring form at Saratoga (2 turns).

That is how I see it too. Luck to those who are sticking with her though.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Really? I think she hates one-turn 8f+ races at Belmont. She didn't run well there this summer, but rebounded to her spring form at Saratoga (2 turns).

The notion that horses like "extra turns" as opposed to say distance, is yet another reason never to pay attention to a "pedigree nut" when handicapping a race.
Pace is what matters, not turns. And if she ever gets away with a slow pace going one turn she will run well then as well.
Hocus pocus voo doo bull****(Nick Zito, before he won the Derby with a horse who didn't have "the dosage")

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

The notion that horses like "extra turns" as opposed to say distance, is yet another reason never to pay attention to a "pedigree nut" when handicapping a race.
Pace is what matters, not turns. And if she ever gets away with a slow pace going one turn she will run well then as well.
Hocus pocus voo doo bull****(Nick Zito, before he won the Derby with a horse who didn't have "the dosage")

So would you say that in the Coaching Club, the results were a result of track conditions as the pace was nearly identical to that of the Alabama? Also, would you consider a bounce for her as she moved up 14 points on Beyers (although I know you use sheets...)?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by oracle80

The notion that horses like "extra turns" as opposed to say distance, is yet another reason never to pay attention to a "pedigree nut" when handicapping a race.
Pace is what matters, not turns. And if she ever gets away with a slow pace going one turn she will run well then as well.
Hocus pocus voo doo bull****(Nick Zito, before he won the Derby with a horse who didn't have "the dosage")

I totally disagree with this. So you're saying there aren't any horses that excel around one turn or excel around two turns? That's one of the strangest things I've heard you say.