Thank You Mine That Bird

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The ride by Borel was totally epic anyway.

He had him back so far behind the next to last horse early on that even the mud kicked up probably couldn't reach him.

Watching Calvin's interview again and thinking about what he meant reveals a few possible reasons for his gelding's success.

1) The track took the heart out of almost all of them over 10F's except his horse whom he saved til the last quarter as he was so far back after the initial half he was out of the picture but his horse hadn't started the race yet. Classic tortise and hare stuff....

2) The time, though slow, is irrelevant as this Derby was won by racing strategy not speed but stamina over a last 1/4 while MTB must have run ridiculous time for the 1/4, 1/2 and 6f's splits showing how occasionally over rated ES is on tiring tracks and poly quick sand.

3) "Fatigue makes cowards of us all" doesn't just apply to football player's

4) Calvin was right on the money when he said his was the only one running at he end......an obvious strategy the "slow minded" southern connections used to the detriment of faster smarter more expensive colts in the race.

"Intelligence is taking the same information available to everyone else and doing something different with it than most to achieve an outcome nobody else could attain"......

[SOREHOOF]

Birdstone is 23% with mud starters. My sister was looking for a longshot, when she mentioned MTB I told her he should be a million to one. I should have kept my mouth shut.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Watching Calvin's interview again and thinking about what he meant reveals a few possible reasons for his gelding's success.

1) The track took the heart out of almost all of them over 10F's except his horse whom he saved til the last quarter as he was so far back after the initial half he was out of the picture but his horse hadn't started the race yet. Classic tortise and hare stuff....

2) The time, though slow, is irrelevant as this Derby was won by racing strategy not speed but stamina over a last 1/4 while MTB must have run ridiculous time for the 1/4, 1/2 and 6f's splits showing how occasionally over rated ES is on tiring tracks and poly quick sand.

3) "Fatigue makes cowards of us all" doesn't just apply to football player's

4) Calvin was right on the money when he said his was the only one running at he end......an obvious strategy the "slow minded" southern connections used to the detriment of faster smarter more expensive colts in the race.

"Intelligence is taking the same information available to everyone else and doing something different with it than most to achieve an outcome nobody else could attain"......

Photo of Mine That Bird on the turn:

http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/gallery;...th_kentuck%3A1

[Bobby Fischer]

race shape, and set up too fast/too forward....

combined with a lone horse running a separate optimal race and winning a gamble on a fortunate rail trip.

and the much-the-best horse running a no-show while supposedly injured

and the 3 other possibly good 10 furlong horses (dunkirk,desert party,chocolate candy) turned out to be mediocre or worse

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

race shape, and set up too fast/too forward....

combined with a lone horse running a separate optimal race and winning a gamble on a fortunate rail trip.

and the much-the-best horse running a no-show while supposedly injured

and the 3 other possibly good 10 furlong horses (dunkirk,desert party,chocolate candy) turned out to be mediocre or worse

Somebody paid them off?

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Somebody paid them off?

I hope they paid them off AND bet Mine That Bird...

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Somebody paid them off?

WTF are you talking about

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

WTF are you talking about

I guess I was asking WTF you were talking about, implying that I Want Revenge was scratched for a reason other than an injury.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

I guess I was asking WTF you were talking about, implying that I Want Revenge was scratched for a reason other than an injury.

what are you even talking about?
I Want Revenge was scratched. He didn't run.
you are way off in a different ballpark

[Bobby Fischer]

it was a handicappers nightmare and the type of race that some fan hits...

anyone who knew anything about wagering would play against pioneer in most tickets other than the coverage tickets.

I had Calvin's horse and Join in the Dance (the speed) grouped 3rd or 4th in a superfecta each, but that is the highest I could envision him running to.


One of the hardest things about trying to make money at the horses, is that if you want to safely build your bankroll, you can't bet a lot more on the fun races then on any other good valued race. That can be damn near impossible when you handicap a race for so long, and have been so accurate for the last two years, and have such a strong opinion.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

it was a handicappers nightmare and the type of race that some fan hits...

anyone who knew anything about wagering would play against pioneer in most tickets other than the coverage tickets.

I had Calvin's horse and Join in the Dance (the speed) grouped 3rd or 4th in a superfecta each, but that is the highest I could envision him running to.


One of the hardest things about trying to make money at the horses, is that if you want to safely build your bankroll, you can't bet a lot more on the fun races then on any other good valued race. That can be damn near impossible when you handicap a race for so long, and have been so accurate for the last two years, and have such a strong opinion.

How was your price on Fresian Fire? All you did was say how your price was getting ruined by all the scratches, now your taking shots at people who supported POTN. What did FF pay for 16th? or 18th?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 3kings

How was your price on Fresian Fire? All you did is say how your price was getting ruined by all the scratches, now your taking shots at people who supported POTN. What did FF pay for 16th?

he finished 18th, beat only flying private. larry jones was bitching after-this is why i'm retiring. oh, shut up and retire already.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by 3kings

How was your price on Fresian Fire? All you did was say how your price was getting ruined by all the scratches, now your taking shots at people who supported POTN. What did FF pay for 16th? or 18th?

The race was an anamoly.

Calvin Borel took a risky gamble and it worked out into a hall of fame ride.
Friesan Fire was injured out of the gate and had a rough trip.

Friesan Fire's price sucked with underlays Pamplemousse, Quality Road and IWR all defecting, but obviously your post was meant to be a rhetorical snide remark, and you probably care/know little about a price.

Glad you liked the obvious underlay POTN, that pretty much says all that needs to be said about your horseplaying acumen.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

The race was an anamoly.

Calvin Borel took a risky gamble and it worked out into a hall of fame ride.
Friesan Fire was injured out of the gate and had a rough trip.

Friesan Fire's price sucked with underlays Pamplemousse, Quality Road and IWR all defecting, but obviously your post was meant to be a rhetorical snide remark, and you probably care/know little about a price.

Glad you liked the obvious underlay POTN, that pretty much says all that needs to be said about your horseplaying acumen.

I didn't play POTN, I understand a price and know that only a douche nozzle touts a horse for 2 weeks watches him run18th then says he had the impossible 50-1 shot but only could use him 3rd or 4th. But of course the race was an anomaly

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

WTF are you talking about?

LMAO