5/2 (CD): Kentucky Derby (G1)

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but it can...cost them 9500 hundred to buy that horse. amazing.

I wonder if Godolphin will adopt this philosophy. Another eyeroll...

Give them credit they are improving.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

I wonder if Godolphin will adopt this philosophy. Another eyeroll...


Give them credit they are improving.

not really. their best ever derby finish was sixth. today their best was eighth.

[Danzig]

everyone who didn't want POTN because of jon whites incessant praise needs to send mine that birds connections a thank you card.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

everyone who didn't want POTN because of jon whites incessant praise needs to send mine that birds connections a thank you card.

Andy's already thanked MYNAH BIRD publicly, and no telling what he would do for the horse privately. Who has your injured- pawed IWR beaten? Nobody? Where did the horses he beat finish in the Derby? Nowhere...IWR has good figures at 1 track, and beat nobody in the process. He got great figures at that track, because, well, you've got the figure makers living there. Big Surprise. Tell me who that IWR has beaten. He has good figures from biased figure-makers. So what. W BERNIE, or Atomic do anything in the Derby to justify the figs they got in the WOOD? NO!! All signs point to POTN's race at HWD, (and the Lewis at ANITA) being given low figures due to bias. Soon as Clem left town he got better figs. When IWR left town his figs went thru the roof(even though he beat nothing at all last time.) Then POTN beats Clem AGAIN, and beats the Illinois Derby Winner(both were supposed to be faster on dirt than POTN.) All signs point to him being atleast 2nd or 3rd best in his class. So, you better start bitching about the whole class of 3 year olds now. Would make more sense than trying to make fun of a horse who is consistently running well at 4 different tracks(turf, synthetic, and dirt.) He's not flashy, but he isn't the dog(or "joke") you've consistently portrayed him to be.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Andy's already thanked MYNAH BIRD publicly, and no telling what he would do for the horse privately. Who has your injured- pawed IWR beaten? Nobody? Where did the horses he beat finish in the Derby? Nowhere...IWR has good figures at 1 track, and beat nobody in the process. He got great figures at that track, because, well, you've got the figure makers living there. Big Surprise. Tell me who that IWR has beaten. He has good figures from biased figure-makers. So what. W BERNIE, or Atomic do anything in the Derby to justify the figs they got in the WOOD? NO!! All signs point to POTN's race at HWD, (and the Lewis at ANITA) being given low figures due to bias. Soon as Clem left town he got better figs. When IWR left town his figs went thru the roof(even though he beat nothing at all last time.) Then POTN beats Clem AGAIN, and beats the Illinois Derby Winner(both were supposed to be faster on dirt than POTN.) All signs point to him being atleast 2nd or 3rd best in his class. So, you better start bitching about the whole class of 3 year olds now. Would make more sense than trying to make fun of a horse who is consistently running well at 4 different tracks(turf, synthetic, and dirt.) He's not flashy, but he isn't the dog(or "joke") you've consistently portrayed him to be.

i wasn't an IWR 'fan'. but i did think he had the best shot today.
i didn't dog POTN either. i'd bet him at santa anita any day of the week.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i wasn't an IWR 'fan'. but i did think he had the best shot today.
i didn't dog POTN either. I'd bet him at Santa Anita any day of the week.

POTN has now beaten the winner of the Illinois Derby, Arkansas Derby(beat him on syn n' dirt by a remarkably similar distance,) Blue Grass, Lands End, Louisiana Derby, U.A.E. Derby, Tampa Bay Derby, and he's beaten the horse who ran a decent 2nd in the Florida Derby. Oh, he also beat the winner of the Gotham and Wood Memorial. He beat that individual twice. So, I don't think he deserves all that's been said about him (good by J White, nor bad by the cavalry.) Today's race was decent. It did appear one horse liked it more than the others. I mean he showed up. He didn't just do nothing (like the favorite etc.) Gomez made the right choice, too. He went with the more seasoned horse, and the other one tripped on his own . Matter of fact, all 3 of the horses behind the Derby winner probably deserve more credit than they get, because all three of them show up and give 100% each race. Baffert's had this horse for 5 races. He's won two Grade 1 races. He's won two Grade 2 races. Then he ran 2nd in the biggest 3 year old race in the World(when given a wet dirt track that who knows whether any of them particularly liked.) So, he's handled turf, dirt, and synthetics. If you run 2nd in the marquee Grade 1 race for 3year olds (on dirt,) then it seems childish for grown people to call you "Pioneer of Nothing."

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

POTN has now beaten the winner of the Illinois Derby, Arkansas Derby(beat him on syn n' dirt by a remarkably similar distance,) Blue Grass, Lands End, Louisiana Derby, U.A.E. Derby, Tampa Bay Derby, and he's beaten the horse who ran a decent 2nd in the Florida Derby. So, I don't think he deserves all that's been said about him (good by J White, nor bad by the cavalry.) Today's race was decent. It did appear one horse liked it more than the others. I mean he showed up. He didn't just do nothing (like the favorite etc.) Gomez made the right choice, too. He went with the more seasoned horse, and the other one tripped on his own . Matter of fact, all 3 of the horses behind the Derby winner probably deserve more credit than they get, because all three of them show up and give 100% each race. Baffert's had this horse for 5 races. He's won two Grade 1 races. He's won two Grade 2 races. Then he ran 2nd in the biggest 3 year old race in the World(when given a wet dirt track that who knows whether any of them particularly liked.) So, he's handled turf, dirt, and synthetics. If you run 2nd in the marquee Grade 1 race for 3year olds (on dirt,) then it seems childish for grown people to call you "Pioneer of Nothing."

I'll take a mediocre horse thats earned just shy of 3 million dollars and runs his eyeballs out everytime out, over all the supposedly faster horses who never seem to show up when facing him. It is complete lunacy to call this horse a mediocrity, what than is Dunkirk? I Want Revenge, Fresian Fire and everyone else finishing BEHIND him?

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not really. their best ever derby finish was sixth. today their best was eighth.

I know you were talking about Sheik Mo's Godolphin operation but Sheik Hamdan, his brother, was at the Derby in 06 and saw his horse, Jazil, pull a similiar move as yesterday up the rail to finish 4th. He has been a bit more successful but then he doesn't pull the horses away once they are doing well.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

I know you were talking about Sheik Mo's Godolphin operation but Sheik Hamdan, his brother, was at the Derby in 06 and saw his horse, Jazil, pull a similiar move as yesterday up the rail to finish 4th. He has been a bit more successful but then he doesn't pull the horses away once they are doing well.

did jazil ship to dubai and back? i don't think he did.
hamdan seems the savvier of the two.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

did jazil ship to dubai and back? i don't think he did.
hamdan seems the savvier of the two.

you are right. I think Sheik Mo is trying to make Dubai a stop on the derby trail for his country and gets influenced away from what's best for the horse. He does love his horses though as the book about Dubai Mellenium attests to.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

He does love his horses though as the book about Dubai Mellenium attests to.

Not quite sure what this a reference to, but Dubai Millennium died in the middle of his first breeding season.

As for people talking about sending horses to/from Dubai...no one seems think that getting there is a major hassle considering Well Armed, Curlin, Invasor, Pleasantly Perfect, Cigar, etc etc had no problems shipping THOUSANDS of miles and winning some big prizes.

People want to keep living their own myths about some Dubai "curse" or whatever...go on if you must, but it's not there.

Godolphin horses have tried seven times in the Derby over five different races and have no wins. The same could be said for...say...sending your horses to Todd Pletcher...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Not quite sure what this a reference to, but Dubai Millennium died in the middle of his first breeding season.

As for people talking about sending horses to/from Dubai...no one seems think that getting there is a major hassle considering Well Armed, Curlin, Invasor, Pleasantly Perfect, Cigar, etc etc had no problems shipping THOUSANDS of miles and winning some big prizes.

People want to keep living their own myths about some Dubai "curse" or whatever...go on if you must, but it's not there.

Godolphin horses have tried seven times in the Derby over five different races and have no wins. The same could be said for...say...sending your horses to Todd Pletcher...

he was talking about a book written about dubai millenium.

as for horses going to dubai and back, more often then not you see people talking about how long it takes them to return to form, and how it knocks them out for a few months sometimes. the sheik had a horse he shipped over here who ended up dying from what they call shipping fever. another horse shipped from here to there came back, came down with colic and died. it's harder on the horses then you seem to think. the thing most criticize the sheik about is not that he ships from dubai to here. but that he ships these horses back and forth several times before attempting the derby. it is draining. he's had some good horses-some of whom that many feel would make a greater impact if they didn't have to repeatedly go thru quarantine and shipping.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Not quite sure what this a reference to, but Dubai Millennium died in the middle of his first breeding season.

As for people talking about sending horses to/from Dubai...no one seems think that getting there is a major hassle considering Well Armed, Curlin, Invasor, Pleasantly Perfect, Cigar, etc etc had no problems shipping THOUSANDS of miles and winning some big prizes.

People want to keep living their own myths about some Dubai "curse" or whatever...go on if you must, but it's not there.

Godolphin horses have tried seven times in the Derby over five different races and have no wins. The same could be said for...say...sending your horses to Todd Pletcher...

Godolophin has a problem and its Saeed Bin Surror. The guy cant manage/train horses. He is the Dubai's version of Todd Pletcher. He gets loads and loads of regally bred horses and may produce 1 or 2 good winners out of them.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Not quite sure what this a reference to, but Dubai Millennium died in the middle of his first breeding season.

As for people talking about sending horses to/from Dubai...no one seems think that getting there is a major hassle considering Well Armed, Curlin, Invasor, Pleasantly Perfect, Cigar, etc etc had no problems shipping THOUSANDS of miles and winning some big prizes.

People want to keep living their own myths about some Dubai "curse" or whatever...go on if you must, but it's not there.

Godolphin horses have tried seven times in the Derby over five different races and have no wins. The same could be said for...say...sending your horses to Todd Pletcher...

It was a book about a horse he owned and the difficulty he faced when the horse died. Since his death he actually has pursued every one of the offspring, bought them and pensioned them out to different farms. It is an approach. Many of the horses you speak of Well Armed, Curlin, Pleasantly Perfect, Cigar were not three yr olds when they went over. Invasor ran there at three, faced his only lose but had shipped there from Uraguay. Indian Blessing recently scratched out of a race as she was a bit dull in her works since coming back from Dubai. It isn't that it can't be done but when you are talking about 3 year olds, it is a very tough process for them. It requires alot of maturity.