5/2 (CD): Kentucky Derby (G1)

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Originally Posted by CSC

It is rather hard to figure, the horse will probably never win another race in his career. sarcastic eyeroll. He ruined my tickets but what the hey good for Borel and the connections, it is somewhat reassuring that the derby still cannot be bought with simple :$:

but it can...cost them 9500 hundred to buy that horse. amazing.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but it can...cost them 9500 hundred to buy that horse. amazing.

I wonder if Godolphin will adopt this philosophy. Another eyeroll...

Give them credit they are improving.

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Originally Posted by CSC

I wonder if Godolphin will adopt this philosophy. Another eyeroll...


Give them credit they are improving.

not really. their best ever derby finish was sixth. today their best was eighth.

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everyone who didn't want POTN because of jon whites incessant praise needs to send mine that birds connections a thank you card.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

everyone who didn't want POTN because of jon whites incessant praise needs to send mine that birds connections a thank you card.

Andy's already thanked MYNAH BIRD publicly, and no telling what he would do for the horse privately. Who has your injured- pawed IWR beaten? Nobody? Where did the horses he beat finish in the Derby? Nowhere...IWR has good figures at 1 track, and beat nobody in the process. He got great figures at that track, because, well, you've got the figure makers living there. Big Surprise. Tell me who that IWR has beaten. He has good figures from biased figure-makers. So what. W BERNIE, or Atomic do anything in the Derby to justify the figs they got in the WOOD? NO!! All signs point to POTN's race at HWD, (and the Lewis at ANITA) being given low figures due to bias. Soon as Clem left town he got better figs. When IWR left town his figs went thru the roof(even though he beat nothing at all last time.) Then POTN beats Clem AGAIN, and beats the Illinois Derby Winner(both were supposed to be faster on dirt than POTN.) All signs point to him being atleast 2nd or 3rd best in his class. So, you better start bitching about the whole class of 3 year olds now. Would make more sense than trying to make fun of a horse who is consistently running well at 4 different tracks(turf, synthetic, and dirt.) He's not flashy, but he isn't the dog(or "joke") you've consistently portrayed him to be.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Andy's already thanked MYNAH BIRD publicly, and no telling what he would do for the horse privately. Who has your injured- pawed IWR beaten? Nobody? Where did the horses he beat finish in the Derby? Nowhere...IWR has good figures at 1 track, and beat nobody in the process. He got great figures at that track, because, well, you've got the figure makers living there. Big Surprise. Tell me who that IWR has beaten. He has good figures from biased figure-makers. So what. W BERNIE, or Atomic do anything in the Derby to justify the figs they got in the WOOD? NO!! All signs point to POTN's race at HWD, (and the Lewis at ANITA) being given low figures due to bias. Soon as Clem left town he got better figs. When IWR left town his figs went thru the roof(even though he beat nothing at all last time.) Then POTN beats Clem AGAIN, and beats the Illinois Derby Winner(both were supposed to be faster on dirt than POTN.) All signs point to him being atleast 2nd or 3rd best in his class. So, you better start bitching about the whole class of 3 year olds now. Would make more sense than trying to make fun of a horse who is consistently running well at 4 different tracks(turf, synthetic, and dirt.) He's not flashy, but he isn't the dog(or "joke") you've consistently portrayed him to be.

i wasn't an IWR 'fan'. but i did think he had the best shot today.
i didn't dog POTN either. i'd bet him at santa anita any day of the week.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i wasn't an IWR 'fan'. but i did think he had the best shot today.
i didn't dog POTN either. I'd bet him at Santa Anita any day of the week.

POTN has now beaten the winner of the Illinois Derby, Arkansas Derby(beat him on syn n' dirt by a remarkably similar distance,) Blue Grass, Lands End, Louisiana Derby, U.A.E. Derby, Tampa Bay Derby, and he's beaten the horse who ran a decent 2nd in the Florida Derby. Oh, he also beat the winner of the Gotham and Wood Memorial. He beat that individual twice. So, I don't think he deserves all that's been said about him (good by J White, nor bad by the cavalry.) Today's race was decent. It did appear one horse liked it more than the others. I mean he showed up. He didn't just do nothing (like the favorite etc.) Gomez made the right choice, too. He went with the more seasoned horse, and the other one tripped on his own . Matter of fact, all 3 of the horses behind the Derby winner probably deserve more credit than they get, because all three of them show up and give 100% each race. Baffert's had this horse for 5 races. He's won two Grade 1 races. He's won two Grade 2 races. Then he ran 2nd in the biggest 3 year old race in the World(when given a wet dirt track that who knows whether any of them particularly liked.) So, he's handled turf, dirt, and synthetics. If you run 2nd in the marquee Grade 1 race for 3year olds (on dirt,) then it seems childish for grown people to call you "Pioneer of Nothing."

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not really. their best ever derby finish was sixth. today their best was eighth.

I know you were talking about Sheik Mo's Godolphin operation but Sheik Hamdan, his brother, was at the Derby in 06 and saw his horse, Jazil, pull a similiar move as yesterday up the rail to finish 4th. He has been a bit more successful but then he doesn't pull the horses away once they are doing well.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

I know you were talking about Sheik Mo's Godolphin operation but Sheik Hamdan, his brother, was at the Derby in 06 and saw his horse, Jazil, pull a similiar move as yesterday up the rail to finish 4th. He has been a bit more successful but then he doesn't pull the horses away once they are doing well.

did jazil ship to dubai and back? i don't think he did.
hamdan seems the savvier of the two.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

did jazil ship to dubai and back? i don't think he did.
hamdan seems the savvier of the two.

you are right. I think Sheik Mo is trying to make Dubai a stop on the derby trail for his country and gets influenced away from what's best for the horse. He does love his horses though as the book about Dubai Mellenium attests to.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

He does love his horses though as the book about Dubai Mellenium attests to.

Not quite sure what this a reference to, but Dubai Millennium died in the middle of his first breeding season.

As for people talking about sending horses to/from Dubai...no one seems think that getting there is a major hassle considering Well Armed, Curlin, Invasor, Pleasantly Perfect, Cigar, etc etc had no problems shipping THOUSANDS of miles and winning some big prizes.

People want to keep living their own myths about some Dubai "curse" or whatever...go on if you must, but it's not there.

Godolphin horses have tried seven times in the Derby over five different races and have no wins. The same could be said for...say...sending your horses to Todd Pletcher...

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Originally Posted by Danzig

but it can...cost them 9500 hundred to buy that horse. amazing.

they bought him privately after his Grey Stakes in Canada for 400k.