bulls/celts..great series

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I will answer.
HELL NO.

The Celts got those championships when a grand total of
8 teams existed. And the sport was NOT close to fully integrated.
Participation was horribly low compared to today.
Russell would play today, as would Oscar.
But some of the other guys...

Jerry Flippn West barely ever used his left hand on the dribble.
Go back and watch that old stuff. Some of it was quite
pitiful. Jerry could shoot the heck out of the ball though.

Oh PLEASE......

Yes watch those old games where the ball never hits the ground from end to end leading to a layup. When defense actually meant running end to end rather than the walk and isolated two on two BS the NBA has become.

NEWS FLASH........

Less teams in a sport means deeper teams and better talent per man. Integration????........Please pick another subject to make your argument.

Russell, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robinson, Wilt and many more were damn good two way players in most cases who were every bit the players these kids are today. The NBA has seen much better times than now....we can debate whether the SHowtime Lakers or Bird's Celtics or Issah's Piston's were better than both of these teams but this product on the floor now is well below the games of the 60's and early 70's of the NBA that saw Cousy, Sam and KC. Team play of this NBA in 2009 has never been close to those teams. Seeing it live is not the same as watching the talkies.......those old men could play.

Originally Posted by docicu3

Oh PLEASE......

Yes watch those old games where the ball never hits the ground from end to end leading to a layup. When defense actually meant running end to end rather than the walk and isolated two on two BS the NBA has become.

NEWS FLASH........

Less teams in a sport means deeper teams and better talent per man. Integration????........Please pick another subject to make your argument.

Russell, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robinson, Wilt and many more were damn good two way players in most cases who were every bit the players these kids are today. The NBA has seen much better times than now....we can debate whether the SHowtime Lakers or Bird's Celtics or Issah's Piston's were better than both of these teams but this product on the floor now is well below the games of the 60's and early 70's of the NBA that saw Cousy, Sam and KC. Team play of this NBA in 2009 has never been close to those teams. Seeing it live is not the same as watching the talkies.......those old men could play.

Bill Sharman
Bob Cousy
Tom Heinsohn
Jim Loscutoff
Bill Russell
Jack Nichols
Frank Ramsey
Dick Hemric
Arnie Risen
Andy Phillip
Lou Tsioropoulos
Togo Palazzi

Are you frggn kiddn.
How many of these guys you want besides Cousy and Russell?
This is an old man joke.
BTW, how many blacks on this Championship team?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Bill Sharman
Bob Cousy
Tom Heinsohn
Jim Loscutoff
Bill Russell
Jack Nichols
Frank Ramsey
Dick Hemric
Arnie Risen
Andy Phillip
Lou Tsioropoulos
Togo Palazzi

Are you frggn kiddn.
How many of these guys you want besides Cousy and Russell?
This is an old man joke.
BTW, how many blacks on this Championship team?

You really never heard of KC or Sam Jones, Satch Sanders to name a few. All legit Hall of Fame players. All black by the way.....where is Chuck when I need him

[GBBob]

Ray Allen

[Scav]

This is so ridiculous right now. I gotta be up at 1am. LETS GO BULLS!!! End this ish..

Originally Posted by docicu3

You really never heard of KC or Sam Jones, Satch Sanders to name a few. All legit Hall of Fame players. All black by the way.....where is Chuck when I need him

Of course I have.
Just look at the teams content.
There is no way anyone can say the best athletes
were out there. There may have been one of
those old championship Celtic teams, maybe with 5 black guys and
9 white guys. That was about it.

The team I posted... Bill Russell, thats it.
The only black.

And if Cannon agrees that the skill level and
athleticism is the same... He wont. Some were still
shooting two handed set shots with hands on opposite poles
of the ball. It was legitmately awful stuff compared to today.

Really it is terribly difficult to compare though,
because the rules are so different.

Great game tonight though.
Maybe I should say crazy game.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

LOL..Noah actually made a play.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

"I LIKEYA OUTFIT"= horse named for JOEY

Originally Posted by docicu3

Oh PLEASE......

Yes watch those old games where the ball never hits the ground from end to end leading to a layup. When defense actually meant running end to end rather than the walk and isolated two on two BS the NBA has become.

NEWS FLASH........

Less teams in a sport means deeper teams and better talent per man. Integration????........Please pick another subject to make your argument.

Russell, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robinson, Wilt and many more were damn good two way players in most cases who were every bit the players these kids are today. The NBA has seen much better times than now....we can debate whether the SHowtime Lakers or Bird's Celtics or Issah's Piston's were better than both of these teams but this product on the floor now is well below the games of the 60's and early 70's of the NBA that saw Cousy, Sam and KC. Team play of this NBA in 2009 has never been close to those teams. Seeing it live is not the same as watching the talkies.......those old men could play.

The rules are also completely diff.
Teams must shoot the ball within 23 seconds.
What is the most efficient way to do that?
Russell could just stand in the lane all he wanted on D.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare the Defense or offense
when the rules are entirely different.

Seriously. The skill level is not even close to the same.
Now if you go Bird/Magic era, heck yes, but not the late
50's early 60's... there is just no way, its not close to the
same game, Athletically or skill level.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The rules are also completely diff.
Teams must shoot the ball within 23 seconds.
What is the most efficient way to do that?
Russell could just stand in the lane all he wanted on D.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare the Defense or offense
when the rules are entirely different.

Seriously. The skill level is not even close to the same.
Now if you go Bird/Magic era, heck yes, but not the late
50's early 60's... there is just no way, its not close to the
same game, Athletically or skill level.

A few truths before the 3rd OT......

The shot clock came into the league for the 1954-55 season...

Russell and KC Jones were winning NCAA national championships in 54 and 55

Russell had a shot clock his whole career in 1956 on.......the Celts were actually the leaders of the black player roster breakthrough....the city was and still is the most racist northern city in america which is what I remeber growing up there then

Originally Posted by docicu3

A few truths before the 3rd OT......

1. The shot clock came into the league for the 1954-55 season...

Russell and KC Jones were winning NCAA national championships in 54 and 55

Russell had a shot clock his whole career in 1956 on.......the Celts were actually the leaders of the black player roster breakthrough....the city was and still is the most racist northern city in america which is what I remeber growing up there then

1. You are absolutely correct. I was thinking college.
The standing in the lane on D used however so it still was very difficult on offense.
Isolations, 2 man game not nearly as effective. My bad.

2. YOu just made my point. Breakthrough.
There does not need to be any breakthrough if the best players are
playing. Clearly all the talent was not being tapped.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by pgardn

1. You are absolutely correct. I was thinking college.
The standing in the lane on D used however so it still was very difficult on offense.
Isolations, 2 man game not needed nearly as effective. My bad.

2. YOu just made my point. Breakthrough.
There does not need to be any breakthrough if the best players are
playing. Clearly all the talent was not being tapped.

Actually no......please name me 5 great black collegiate players from that era who didn't play in the NBA then. It was certainly oppressive but your trying to draw conclusions that aren't valid. Auerbach was a pretty shrewd guy....He knew Russell was his key to immortality and that Bird would bring him a second dynasty. McHale and Parrish for Joe Barry Carroll speaks for itself....

Originally Posted by docicu3

Actually no......please name me 5 great black collegiate players from that era who didn't play in the NBA then. It was certainly oppressive but your trying to draw conclusions that aren't valid. Auerbach was a pretty shrewd guy....He knew Russell was his key to immortality and that Bird would bring him a second dynasty. McHale and Parrish for Joe Barry Carroll speaks for itself....

Seriously...
You are really serious with this?

How many blacks had a chance to go to college?
Please take a look at college rosters now compared
to the late 50's and early 60's.

And then still tell me the talent was fully tapped
with a straight face.... errr... without typing crooked
My conclusion is athletic talent was not as fully utilized
as it is today in basketball. You disagree, and say I am drawing
invalid conclusions... Yikes.