Oaks/Derby Double

[Clip-Clop]

Everyone gets Einstein for the woodford.

[Clip-Clop]

He's never been "very beatable". Pitts says he is kicking the walls down! He might get beat but if you got to take a stand somewhere I stand with Einstein.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'd never tell someone how to spend their money, but in my opinion you are much better off trying to beat Einstein than including the Lukas filly in the Oaks that has absolutely no shot. Since when did Einstein become so unbeatable?

I agree regarding Einstein, he beat Commentator in the Clark who is very much on the downside of his career as shown by his performane in the CT race, and he won a weak gr.1 race out west that basically illustrates how weak the older division is, for his projected odds he won't pack much punch. Obcourse he can win but isn't this game about beating obvious underlaid choices?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by CSC

I agree regarding Einstein, he beat Commentator in the Clark who is very much on the downside of his career as shown by his performane in the CT race, and he won a weak gr.1 race out west that basically illustrates how weak the older division is, for his projected odds he won't pack much punch. Obcourse he can win but isn't this game about beating obvious underlaid choices?

I thought it was about winning money and being right. I like debate though and have an open mind. I try to beat many choices throughout my time, just think the best horse usually wins.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I thought it was about winning money and being right. I like debate though and have an open mind. I try to beat many choices throughout my time, just think the best horse usually wins.

I'll take most money over most winners anyday.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by CSC

I'll take most money over most winners anyday.

Hard to have one without the others. "Betting to place is like kissing your sister, betting to show is like kissing your brother."

[CSC]

Zambesi Sun has been a major dissapointment since coming over, he should be a great price assuming Frankel doesn't scratch him, maybe he's finally figured him out. I think he's interesting.

[Clip-Clop]

Never said unbeatable. Just not "very beatable". I am a big Einstein fan. Worked out last year. Who's gonna beat him?

RE the Oaks...I also thought that Lemon's Forever did not have a shot, but included her(for my wife) and cashed that double with Barbaro 2x. Tweeters last race looked good to me and RA well, you never know...they have to make it around the track first.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I can't believe I am actually saying this out loud, but I think the race is between Court Vision and Cowboy Cal and will probably try and get through with those two.

LOL. It's the PG1985 Derby exacta a year later.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I can't believe I am actually saying this out loud, but I think the race is between Court Vision and Cowboy Cal and will probably try and get through with those two.

Court Vision looks good coming in. Good luck with that. How about the rest of the PK-3?

[Clip-Clop]

If it stays wet there, Proudinsky does become my top choice.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I can't believe I am actually saying this out loud, but I think the race is between Court Vision and Cowboy Cal and will probably try and get through with those two.

oh
my
god

[hockey2315]

Zambezi Sun looks interesting to me. . . I think you can excuse his first two in the states and his European form trounces these. . . Just not sure about the distance. . .

[TheSpyder]

I agree, think he's sitting on a big race.

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Zambezi Sun looks interesting to me. . . I think you can excuse his first two in the states and his European form trounces these. . . Just not sure about the distance. . .

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Maybe Cowboy Cal is a little reach, but isn't he better on turf? Who am I missing?

I don't think it's a reach at all. I actually like him in here- I was just laughing at the fact taht its the PG1985 exacta

[Sightseek]

^^^ PG's biggest fan.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Trust me Phil, I had a good laugh at it last night myself. Let's hope we're still laughing Saturday night.

Looking at Court Vision, I just noted that he's picking up a LOT of weight from his last few races. Not something I normally get too worried about but given the expected softer turf it could be an issue.

Also, if Maker can make another move-up with Furthest Land, he's got a shot in here at a monster price. I may just bet him straight.

[Gander]

I'm hoping Zambezi Sun takes more money than the other Frankel (Proudinski) and I think theres a good chance they will be a lot closer in odds than their morning lines dictate. Juddmonte horses usually get bet off the charts and for the life of me I dont see anything in this horse from his last 2 that would put him in the hunt here... hes going shorter and facing better horses on Saturday. He will be a better price than he was in his last two, but I dont see him hitting the exacta. I also dont like Einstein in here coming off the poly in what was an excellent race but against turf horses running on the poly. I dont care what his price is, I am chucking him. Hes beaten me before but I dare him to again!

Proudinski should be just off the lead of Cowboy Cal, maybe even on it if no one else goes. This distance is perfect for him and while hes shown to be really good on a wet turf, I love him on dry & wet in this race. I can see him and Cal running 1-2 around the track. Those are the two I'd use in a pick and a small exacta box.

Court Vision has crushed me before and may do it again but letting him beat me in here. I dont see this race setting up for his huge close and his price wont be all that inviting.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I can't believe I am actually saying this out loud, but I think the race is between Court Vision and Cowboy Cal and will probably try and get through with those two.

You are in big trouble. I love Court Vision in that race.

[miraja2]

13 I Want Revenge $6.10

Damn it!
I could have really used that $24.40.