bellamy road was retired

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

i would hardly classify any of those races as "awesome". Nothing earth shattering.

His Wood performance was certainly "earth-shattering".

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

His Wood performance was certainly "earth-shattering".

No Rupert, she was referring to BR's races BEFORE the Wood. The Wood was one of the most dominant preps ive ever seen. But before that, he didnt do anything to numb the senses.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No Rupert, she was referring to BR's races BEFORE the Wood. The Wood was one of the most dominant preps ive ever seen. But before that, he didnt do anything to numb the senses.

Another member of the "Horses are machines who should always run their best race with no regards to the circumstances" club. These folks can't be reasoned with or taught anything.

Perhaps you should look up his worktab for the mile and a quarter Travers against two very good and sharp horses at the time.
he had four slow breezes. I know what he had, I saw them all in person.
Horse wasn't really ready to run in anything except an allowance race.
What he did that day will always be appreciated by folks in the game.
After that Travers was over, the folks i watched it with, one a trainer and another an owner both screamed as I did, WHAT A FREAK!!!! And noone was talking about Flower Alley. I'm not gonna name drop about who i watched it with, doesnt really matter exactly who they are, but these were players who had no affiliation with either Bellamy or Nick. One of em flat out dislikes Nick to be honest.
But after the race noone I was with could believe what he had done. Which was to set a very fast pressured pace in a mile and a quarter race off a layoff with only 4 slow breezes. And he actually fought back at Flower when passed and galloped out ahead of him immediately after the wire. It was something i will never forget, seeing him take off after Flower even after the wire and pass him.
If you couldnt appreciate that effort and its greatness, then you won't ever be able to appreciate any effort in its full perspective.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Another member of the "Horses are machines who should always run their best race with no regards to the circumstances" club. These folks can't be reasoned with or taught anything.

Perhaps you should look up his worktab for the mile and a quarter Travers against two very good and sharp horses at the time.
he had four slow breezes. I know what he had, I saw them all in person.
Horse wasn't really ready to run in anything except an allowance race.
What he did that day will always be appreciated by folks in the game.
After that Travers was over, the folks i watched it with, one a trainer and another an owner both screamed as I did, WHAT A FREAK!!!! And noone was talking about Flower Alley. I'm not gonna name drop about who i watched it with, doesnt really matter exactly who they are, but these were players who had no affiliation with either Bellamy or Nick. One of em flat out dislikes Nick to be honest.
But after the race noone I was with could believe what he had done. Which was to set a very fast pressured pace in a mile and a quarter race off a layoff with only 4 slow breezes. And he actually fought back at Flower when passed and galloped out ahead of him immediately after the wire. It was something i will never forget, seeing him take off after Flower even after the wire and pass him.
If you couldnt appreciate that effort and its greatness, then you won't ever be able to appreciate any effort in its full perspective.

since when is the Travers run BEFORE the Wood? LOL

Originally Posted by dalakhani

since when is the Travers run BEFORE the Wood? LOL

Since when does it matter?
Rule number 1) When folks resort to semantics about minor details, it means that they have no real basis to defend their standpoint.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No Rupert, she was referring to BR's races BEFORE the Wood. The Wood was one of the most dominant preps ive ever seen. But before that, he didnt do anything to numb the senses.

Maybe not for you, but I thought some of his previous performances were awesome. He just didn't do them in the national spotlight.

My Rule #1 ...

What a horse does in actual races is all that really counts; "woulda/coulda/shoulda" doesn't count for squat.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

My Rule #1 ...

What a horse does in actual races is all that really counts; "woulda/coulda/shoulda" doesn't count for squat.

My God, BB, if we stick to horses we generally see eye to eye.

There has to be some sort of standard for evaluating quality and/or greatness in race horses. This was discussed extensively on a thread a few weeks ago.

If we dwell on the hypothetical ... we'll get nowhere.

Hoist The Flag may have been the greatest race horse in the history of the world ... may have been ... but he wasn't. He won two stakes races as a 2YO ... and one as a 3YO ... not enough to reach any sort of threshhold.

Stick to what they actually do in races ... and never mind how good they looked walking around the shedrow.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

There has to be some sort of standard for evaluating quality and/or greatness in race horses. This was discussed extensively on a thread a few weeks ago.

If we dwell on the hypothetical ... we'll get nowhere.

Hoist The Flag may have been the greatest race horse in the history of the world ... may have been ... but he wasn't. He won two stakes races as a 2YO ... and one as a 3YO ... not enough to reach any sort of threshhold.

Stick to what they actually do in races ... and never mind how good they looked walking around the shedrow.

BB,
you are way off base here. His Wood and travers were not theoretical. I watched one on tv, and saw the other one live. I'm quite sure they happened. How many times do you have to see great before you know a horse is great.
Ask anyone who ever saw landaluce run if she was great.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

My Rule #1 ...

What a horse does in actual races is all that really counts; "woulda/coulda/shoulda" doesn't count for squat.

exactly, but two races in the wood and travers are efforts that only a great horse is capable of. shug thought he was one of the best horses in years and obviously he had nothing to do with him.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Revolution

exactly, but two races in the wood and travers are efforts that only a great horse is capable of. shug thought he was one of the best horses in years and obviously he had nothing to do with him.

I guess then what it comes down to how you define "great". For me, it takes more than two efforts in restricted races. Its obvious he had the talent to be a great horse. The Wood was, again, the most dominating prep ive ever seen.

For me, it takes more than just two races. For me, they have to beat the best around and do it consistently.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I guess then what it comes down to how you define "great". For me, it takes more than two efforts in restricted races. Its obvious he had the talent to be a great horse. The Wood was, again, the most dominating prep ive ever seen.

For me, it takes more than just two races. For me, they have to beat the best around and do it consistently.

Gee,
Thats kinda hard to do when you have a splint thats all screwed up near the tendon.
Or if you are Smarty, hard to do when your ankles have eroded down to nothing(just a "rumor" I heard).
I don't hold injuries against horses, any horse.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I guess then what it comes down to how you define "great". For me, it takes more than two efforts in restricted races. Its obvious he had the talent to be a great horse. The Wood was, again, the most dominating prep ive ever seen.

For me, it takes more than just two races. For me, they have to beat the best around and do it consistently.

I think it just depends what question you are answering. If someone asks you who were the most talented horses you've ever seen, that would be a different question from what horses accomplished the most.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

His Wood performance was certainly "earth-shattering".

You mean the fastest triple crown prep race in HISTORY on the sheets? nah, nothing earth shattering about that. LOL!!!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You mean the fastest triple crown prep race in HISTORY on the sheets? nah, nothing earth shattering about that. LOL!!!

Can you ****ing READ?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Can you ****ing READ?

Yeah can you?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah can you?

It doesnt appear to be the case. Anyone that followed the thread and wasnt just looking to be an ******* could comprehend what i typed.

Kentuckyrosesinmay asked if i had seen any of BR's races BEFORE the Wood. I said yes and none of them were earth shattering. Then i stated that the Wood was the most dominating prep i had ever seen.

They must give GED's out easy these days.

[Revolution]

the attacks on the talent of bellamy road are ridiculous. he was one of the most talented horses in the last few years. i would equate him with terrell davis of the broncos. hall of fame talent that never got to hang around long enough.

Originally Posted by Revolution

the attacks on the talent of bellamy road are ridiculous. he was one of the most talented horses in the last few years. i would equate him with terrell davis of the broncos. hall of fame talent that never got to hang around long enough.

Revolution I believe that we have found common ground about something.