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[CSC]

I find it very interesting that little is being said about Friesan Fire so far.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

What is there to say?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What is there to say?

If this forum is any indication by the lack of talk surrounding him, he may be a forgotten horse Derby day, I'm not counting on it, but if I had the gumption I would track it on a graph/chart. No not really I hate charts...even the FM charts.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Maybe I need some mystery goggles or something, but I just don't see why Desert Party isn't considered one of the top choices this year.

I'm sticking with him.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

Maybe I need some mystery goggles or something, but I just don't see why Desert Party isn't considered one of the top choices this year.

I'm sticking with him.

1. Dubai
2. No Frankie
3. Lost to Regal Ransom (which isn't a huge negative to me)
4. At least five American horses that look better
5. Beaten no one

[NTamm1215]

1. Dubai- A legitimate question mark
2. No Frankie- A blessing in a dirt race
3. Lost to Regal Ransom (which isn't a huge negative to me)- A non-issue given the track
4. At least five American horses that look better- A debatable opinion
5. Beaten no one- A dangerous argument but who has I Want Revenge beaten?

NT

[CSC]

Last year if I am remembering correctly there were some big races in Europe on Derby day, so I wouldn't look at Frankie not being here as much as if he were riding here.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

1. Dubai- A legitimate question mark
2. No Frankie- A blessing in a dirt race
3. Lost to Regal Ransom (which isn't a huge negative to me)- A non-issue given the track
4. At least five American horses that look better- A debatable opinion
5. Beaten no one- A dangerous argument but who has I Want Revenge beaten?

NT

Desert Party is by far their best proposition so far, and with Regal Ransom now going, and likely serving as a pace setup, he becomes more appealing.

His UAE Derby was a really strong effort. And he has 2-year-old form. One of my concerns though is the fact many wise-guy 'cappers are talking him up a bit, which is tricky, because he might get more action than we think.

[Thunder Gulch]

I've bought into the Dubai hype more than once and never was in contention in the Derby that I can remember. It may have been different if Street Cry made it, but he didn't.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by justindew

1. Dubai
2. No Frankie
3. Lost to Regal Ransom (which isn't a huge negative to me)
4. At least five American horses that look better
5. Beaten no one

1. Understood
2. Doesn't matter
3. Closed better than anyone into the bias (Well Armed sucks)
4. Debatable
5. BS... Who have any of them beaten? They are a bunch of unproven three-year-olds. The "Who Did He Beat" defense has to come after a horse has had a few campaigns.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

1. Understood
2. Doesn't matter
3. Closed better than anyone into the bias (Well Armed sucks)
4. Debatable
5. BS... Who have any of them beaten? They are a bunch of unproven three-year-olds. The "Who Did He Beat" defense has to come after a horse has had a few campaigns.

Pioneerof the Nile has beaten everyone he has faced since December, including...

-The winner of the Gotham, Wood, and probably Derby fave, I Want Revenge.

-The winner of the Arkansas Derby, Papa Clem.

-The winner of the El Camino Real Derby and the California Derby, Chocolate Candy.

-Bittel Road.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

1. Understood
2. Doesn't matter
3. Closed better than anyone into the bias (Well Armed sucks)
4. Debatable
5. BS... Who have any of them beaten? They are a bunch of unproven three-year-olds. The "Who Did He Beat" defense has to come after a horse has had a few campaigns.

...and all I'm doing is explaining why he isn't among the favorites at the moment. I'm not saying I don't think he has a chance. I need to clear this up before Stonegossard gets confused and thinks I'm predicting DP will finish last.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

I find it very interesting that little is being said about Friesan Fire so far.

My ? mark with him is how much were his victories a product of good trips and suspect competition. And when you toss the layoff and lack of an 8.5f prep, it becomes more difficult to use him when there are more likeable, and valued-filled, options available.