Just for a change of pace

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Come on be serious. First of all no other country save Switzerland would possibly hold themselves to these standards. Plus outside of academia, no other country really would be nearly as kind as we are. Think that Russia or China holds itself to standards? Please. There is basic human rights and there are terrorists. They give up their rights not to mention that they fail to fit a standard citizen or soldier role. What exactly would you do? I just think it is laughable when someone comes up with this argument when there is no doubt about Americas role in the world. We give the IMF $100 billion yet we need to worry about what these countries think about torture? And the irony of the countries of their origin refusing to take these people back has to mean something doesnt it? Wonder why our brothers on the UN Security Council dont bring this issue up too often. Like I said before, what happens to these individuals should be carried out under whatever cloak of darkness the govt decides just like the other countries of the world.

Just so I understand...you are actually justifying your position on the way we deal with human rights by using Russia and China as examples?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Just so I understand...you are actually justifying your position on the way we deal with human rights by using Russia and China as examples?

We stack up pretty good compared to them, no? Would you rather use India and Pakistan? Or Thailand? Or Indochina? Or Libya? Or Venezuela? Or Cuba? Or Columbia? or ????

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We stack up pretty good compared to them, no? Would you rather use India and Pakistan? Or Thailand? Or Indochina? Or Libya? Or Venezuela? Or Cuba? Or Columbia? or ????

How about we hold ourselves to a higher standard and be a real world leader? How about we stop condemning all the countries that you just named for the same behavior that you are condoning?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How about we hold ourselves to a higher standard and be a real world leader? How about we stop condemning all the countries that you just named for the same behavior that you are condoning?

Another dream world inhabitant...

You really think if we were to denounce torture and rlease all the prisoners (to where i dont know) that those countries and their leaders would #1 Believe us? Or #2 follow suit?

as Obama is finding out now, dealing with these individuals is far harder in reality than in campaign promise world, hence his following along with many of Bush's same arguments in holding the prisoners.

In other countries they regularly imprison or kill political opponents. I'm sure that our treatment of terrorists will have a profound effect on that practice.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Another dream world inhabitant...

You really think if we were to denounce torture and rlease all the prisoners (to where i dont know) that those countries and their leaders would #1 Believe us? Or #2 follow suit?

as Obama is finding out now, dealing with these individuals is far harder in reality than in campaign promise world, hence his following along with many of Bush's same arguments in holding the prisoners.

In other countries they regularly imprison or kill political opponents. I'm sure that our treatment of terrorists will have a profound effect on that practice.

Didnt say to release all the prisoners. I said that they deserve trials and representation. The ones that can't be rightfully condemned should be released.

Obama has been in office about 3 months. Action on this front could still be forthcoming. Seems like the man has a lot on his plate right now.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Didnt say to release all the prisoners. I said that they deserve trials and representation. The ones that can't be rightfully condemned should be released.

Obama has been in office about 3 months. Action on this front could still be forthcoming. Seems like the man has a lot on his plate right now.

Actually action to the contrary has been pursued by his Justice dept

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027091370936935.html


And the people who want them released have yet to address the issue of where to release them since the vast majority are not welcome back in their own countries?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually action to the contrary has been pursued by his Justice dept

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027091370936935.html


And the people who want them released have yet to address the issue of where to release them since the vast majority are not welcome back in their own countries?

Actually, Obama's actions are prudent in this regard. Surely 90 days isnt enough time to institute a policy on such an important matter. He was better to stick to the current gameplan before making any changes in matters of national security.

Who said anything about wanting everyone released? And how do you know that "the vast majority are not welcome back in their own countries"?