Just for a change of pace

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

waterboarding and other assorted measures are 100 percent usefull and should be ok....gimme a break people..you dont know what intel is/was taken from these people in abue grade/or guantanamo.its part of the 'game'. you get caught.you have a choice..help or we will help you.why should we care about these combatants..as if they whould not as a whole strap a bomb to themselves and walk into wallmart and boom..just as they continue to do to our troops in iraq.this bleeding hart stuff for combat troops ie al q. is laughable..feed the homeless..start there first.......

What if the person being tortured is not a terrorist and knows nothing?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

What if the person being tortured is not a terrorist and knows nothing?

hes just phucked..wrong place at the wrong time..many in our own jails suffer the same fate..

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i have a friend that was at abue grade..he is a doctor he was assisting a dentist who was giving dental care extractions ect.. the prisoners where skared shittless of the dentist.. get the whole point here..not all of the supposed bad things that happend were true.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

hes just phucked..wrong place at the wrong time..many in our own jails suffer the same fate..

LOL...SOUNDS RUSSIAN.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

What if the person being tortured is not a terrorist and knows nothing?

We should use those 100% accurate gentler methods? Maybe ask them nicely if they are a terrorist?

Everybody in prison is innocent too, just ask them.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We should use those 100% accurate gentler methods? Maybe ask them nicely if they are a terrorist?

Everybody in prison is innocent too, just ask them.

You walk down a dangerous road when you get rid of the checks and balances and let individuals become judge, jury and executioner.

Do we really want to be a country that claims to be spreading democracy and human rights around the globe while at the same time denying these same basic ideals at our choosing?

Hard to be fighting for human rights and then denying them at the same time. No?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You walk down a dangerous road when you get rid of the checks and balances and let individuals become judge, jury and executioner.

Do we really want to be a country that claims to be spreading democracy and human rights around the globe while at the same time denying these same basic ideals at our choosing?

Hard to be fighting for human rights and then denying them at the same time. No?

Come on be serious. First of all no other country save Switzerland would possibly hold themselves to these standards. Plus outside of academia, no other country really would be nearly as kind as we are. Think that Russia or China holds itself to standards? Please. There is basic human rights and there are terrorists. They give up their rights not to mention that they fail to fit a standard citizen or soldier role. What exactly would you do? I just think it is laughable when someone comes up with this argument when there is no doubt about Americas role in the world. We give the IMF $100 billion yet we need to worry about what these countries think about torture? And the irony of the countries of their origin refusing to take these people back has to mean something doesnt it? Wonder why our brothers on the UN Security Council dont bring this issue up too often. Like I said before, what happens to these individuals should be carried out under whatever cloak of darkness the govt decides just like the other countries of the world.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Come on be serious. First of all no other country save Switzerland would possibly hold themselves to these standards. Plus outside of academia, no other country really would be nearly as kind as we are. Think that Russia or China holds itself to standards? Please. There is basic human rights and there are terrorists. They give up their rights not to mention that they fail to fit a standard citizen or soldier role. What exactly would you do? I just think it is laughable when someone comes up with this argument when there is no doubt about Americas role in the world. We give the IMF $100 billion yet we need to worry about what these countries think about torture? And the irony of the countries of their origin refusing to take these people back has to mean something doesnt it? Wonder why our brothers on the UN Security Council dont bring this issue up too often. Like I said before, what happens to these individuals should be carried out under whatever cloak of darkness the govt decides just like the other countries of the world.

Just so I understand...you are actually justifying your position on the way we deal with human rights by using Russia and China as examples?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Just so I understand...you are actually justifying your position on the way we deal with human rights by using Russia and China as examples?

We stack up pretty good compared to them, no? Would you rather use India and Pakistan? Or Thailand? Or Indochina? Or Libya? Or Venezuela? Or Cuba? Or Columbia? or ????

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We stack up pretty good compared to them, no? Would you rather use India and Pakistan? Or Thailand? Or Indochina? Or Libya? Or Venezuela? Or Cuba? Or Columbia? or ????

How about we hold ourselves to a higher standard and be a real world leader? How about we stop condemning all the countries that you just named for the same behavior that you are condoning?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Like I said before, what happens to these individuals should be carried out under whatever cloak of darkness the govt decides just like the other countries of the world.

We don't make that much "stuff" anymore. We better be considered a "just" sanctuary, and it better be stable. What you're describing is a pretty slippery slope. You don't have a problem with either

1)no trials

or

2)torture (like this waterboarding surely is.)

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We should use those 100% accurate gentler methods? Maybe ask them nicely if they are a terrorist?

Everybody in prison is innocent too, just ask them.

But the assumption that every one of the captives is a terrorist and should be punished without benefit of a trial goes against everything this country is based on. No?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But the assumption that every one of the captives is a terrorist and should be punished without benefit of a trial goes against everything this country is based on. No?

How can they realistically go to trial in our court system? They would all get off based upon the Miranda law. Our system isnt designed to deal with this type of problem but giving rights to foreign terrorists isnt a step in the right direction. There are bad things that happen in this world and it isnt fair. But these arent citizens of this country nor were they found in our country.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How can they realistically go to trial in our court system? They would all get off based upon the Miranda law. Our system isnt designed to deal with this type of problem but giving rights to foreign terrorists isnt a step in the right direction. There are bad things that happen in this world and it isnt fair. But these arent citizens of this country nor were they found in our country.

Just to understand. You feel that is lawful and just for a goverment to go on foreign soil (war zone or not), kidnap a citizen of that foreign country, torture them and hold them captive for years...on grounds of suspicion.

Does that sum it up?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Just to understand. You feel that is lawful and just for a goverment to go on foreign soil (war zone or not), kidnap a citizen of that foreign country, torture them and hold them captive for years...on grounds of suspicion.

Does that sum it up?

Kidnap? that's kind of funny. Maybe you think we should be on trial then? How do you feel about killing them while in the war zone? Disarm the military and give them tasers? Maybe just throw wads of money at them and run away.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Kidnap? that's kind of funny. Maybe you think we should be on trial then? How do you feel about killing them while in the war zone? Disarm the military and give them tasers? Maybe just throw wads of money at them and run away.

Not all the detainees were captured in war zones.

If you were walking down the street in your neighborhood and a van pulled up with masked men and they put a veil over your head and took you to another country...

would you call that kidnapping?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Just to understand. You feel that is lawful and just for a goverment to go on foreign soil (war zone or not), kidnap a citizen of that foreign country, torture them and hold them captive for years...on grounds of suspicion.

Does that sum it up?

nominated for dumbest post of the year

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

nominated for dumbest post of the year

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