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Old 04-16-2009, 11:18 AM
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No disrespect to Prado, but I'd rather have Dominguez if I was choosing a rider for Dunkirk. Then again if Stu Eliott or Jose Santos can find the winner's circle for the derby, perhaps all this Jockey stuff is overrated anyway.
a lot of it is - usually the horse makes the jockey , Stewart Ellitot rode 3 great races in the triple crown stakes , it wasn't his fault that bailey and whoever (i can't remember) rode rock hard ten went on a sucicde mission to take down smarty jones

the great jd bailey never got to ride a mark hennig horse again after that race and stewy didn't get to go down in history with some of the other triple crown winning jocks
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:28 AM
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a lot of it is - usually the horse makes the jockey , Stewart Ellitot rode 3 great races in the triple crown stakes , it wasn't his fault that bailey and whoever (i can't remember) rode rock hard ten went on a sucicde mission to take down smarty jones

the great jd bailey never got to ride a mark hennig horse again after that race and stewy didn't get to go down in history with some of the other triple crown winning jocks
That's been debated before, long & hard...Long story short Bailey and Hennig told everyone before the race what their intentions were, that is why Hennig blew him out in 46 and change. If I am wrong someone will correct me but I'm sure even with a memory as bad as mine, I can recall the Eddington saga.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:30 AM
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That's been debated before, long & hard...Long story short Bailey and Hennig told everyone before the race what their intentions were, that is why Hennig blew him out in 46 and change. If I am wrong someone will correct me but I'm sure even with a memory as bad as mine, I can recall the Eddington saga.
then if bailey did what he was told why did he never ride for mark again ?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:35 AM
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I think Pletcher should go with Jorge Chavez if Gomez opts off.

He has more Derbies than GG has Triple Crown victories combined and his confidence is soaring riding the hair off these maidens and claimers every day.

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Old 04-16-2009, 11:41 AM
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I think Pletcher should go with Jorge Chavez if Gomez opts off.

He has more Derbies than GG has Triple Crown victories combined and his confidence is soaring riding the hair off these maidens and claimers every day.

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When Chavez pulls-out that whip in shotgun-like fashion he'll scared be out of his mind.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:42 AM
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Seriously isn't Ramon a better finisher than Edgar right now?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:46 AM
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Seriously isn't Ramon a better finisher than Edgar right now?
I've been a Prado fan for some time, but Rosie Napravnik is a better finisher than him right now.

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Old 04-16-2009, 11:36 AM
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Is not being able to ride for Mark Hennig anymore a bad thing?
stupid post of the day alert?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:49 AM
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Coming from you, that's an honor. Nothing against Hennig, but I must be forgetting all of the stakes horses Bailey missed out on riding. Who were they?

Eddington did win from off the pace the next year in a g1 so he did miss out on that one

but your reason must be the reason why , henning stinks, his horses stink, and that is why after the belmont Jerry decided not to take anymore mounts offered to him!

maybe to clear things up Steve can get the owners of Eddington on the show and ask them what they thought of JD's ride in the belmont?
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Eddington did win from off the pace the next year in a g1 so he did miss out on that one

but your reason must be the reason why , henning stinks, his horses stink, and that is why after the belmont Jerry decided not to take anymore mounts offered to him!

maybe to clear things up Steve can get the owners of Eddington on the show and ask them what they thought of JD's ride in the belmont?
Peter Willmott.. Would be happy to talk to him. He's originally from up here. Glens Falls or Lake George I think.. I always liked Eddington. Think he's going to be a good sire too.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:54 AM
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Peter Willmott.. Would be happy to talk to him. He's originally from up here. Glens Falls or Lake George I think.. I always liked Eddington. Think he's going to be a good sire too.
steve - what was your thought on the '04 Belmont ?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:56 AM
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Espinoza rode War Emblem to a perfect trip 20/1 Derby win - and was 3rd aboard Congaree for Baffert as well.

He would be logical ... and though POTN isn't the greatest style fit for him - he will certainly have the fields strongest jockey and certainly the fields best value oriented jockey as well.
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Eddington did win from off the pace the next year in a g1 so he did miss out on that one

but your reason must be the reason why , henning stinks, his horses stink, and that is why after the belmont Jerry decided not to take anymore mounts offered to him!

maybe to clear things up Steve can get the owners of Eddington on the show and ask them what they thought of JD's ride in the belmont?
Or ask why he worked him fast before the Belmont and added blinkers. Obvious isn't it?
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:39 PM
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Or ask why he worked him fast before the Belmont and added blinkers. Obvious isn't it?
that's a fair question and ask him why JD never got another mount from him again as well? did ron and JD turn down mounts from the Hennig barn after the '04 belmont or was it the other way around and none were ever offered again to JD?
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a lot of it is - usually the horse makes the jockey , Stewart Ellitot rode 3 great races in the triple crown stakes , it wasn't his fault that bailey and whoever (i can't remember) rode rock hard ten went on a sucicde mission to take down smarty jones.
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Just heard from Hammerle that the 'Espinoza on' Pioneer buzz is at a fever pitch as of this morning at Santa Anita...
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Just heard from Hammerle that the 'Espinoza on' Pioneer buzz is at a fever pitch as of this morning at Santa Anita...

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