Weekend Beyers (Genl Qrtrs 95; Papa Clem 101)

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
not what i'm saying at all. but all those cali horses only have that surface to run on-i wonder how many would shine if put elsewhere? or would do poorly for that matter.
potn could turn out to be great on dirt, and turn out to be the best three year old. but i just don't see that one of his competitors form on dirt tells you a thing about what POTN would do on the same surface.

Ok so if Spectacular Bid beat Seattle Slew and Affirmed on dirt then Seattle Slew and Affirmed went on to win grass races, you wouldn't give Bid a longer look in his grass debut?

Nobody is saying it's any kind of certainty that Pioneer will handle the dirt. I have no clue whatsoever. Let me ask you how big of a part does class handicapping play when you are looking at a race? For example, let's say Rail Trip went out and beat Commentator in the Met Mile in his next race then they decide to put him on grass for his next start. I don't know how Rail Trip will handle the grass but I do know that he's a good horse to beat Commentator. Perhaps Papa Clem and IWR both suck on synthetics and are 8-10 lengths better on dirt. Entirely possible. Same could be true of Pioneer. I'm just saying that while the synthetics can mute the form of some horses and raise the form of others, it's USUALLY not going to make bad horses beat good horses. I just think that it's not a negative that he beat them and it's not meaningless. It can only be a plus. How big of one is what's to be determined.