Syn to Dirt Beyer Converter

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't...he said Cushion or Tapeta, not Poly.

NT

I don't see the correlation to turf racing. From what I have seen, speed has done well some days as does closers. It's seems like a fair enough surface to me. Certainly more so than the pre-pro ride era when it was speed biased.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

I don't see the correlation to turf racing. From what I have seen, speed has done well some days as does closers. It's seems like a fair enough surface to me. Certainly more so in the pre-pro ride era when it was speed biased.

Yeah - I'd love to see Raven's Pass and that other Euro turf horses blow by Curlin like he's standing still on a dirt track.

An honest hard hitting one-way speed horse like Fabulous Strike basically had no chance on that surface either.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yeah - I'd love to see Raven's Pass and that other Euro turf horses blow by Curlin like he's standing still on a dirt track.

An honest hard hitting one-way speed horse like Fabulous Strike basically had no chance on that surface either.

I think this one could be easily explained also, Curlin simply was not the same horse he once was going into the The BC or atleast his last 2 races prior indicated to some of us he wasn't, I remember saying before that race he had nothing to lose going into it, if he lost they could blame it on the surface, if he won he would be a hero. Sure Raven's Pass ran great, but Curlin wasn't disgraced and I don't know for sure but numbers wise it wasn't all that far off his previous 2. Albarado errored also with the early move.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Anytime you are Curlin and you lost to Tiag-slow ... you are disgraced.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Anytime you are Curlin and you lost to Tiag-slow ... you are disgraced.

Curlin ran much better than Tiago in the Classic.




Yea it sucked to have the classic on synthetic turf, but it was also a great race with 3 top class race horses, and one of the better betting opportunities betty butter

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Curlin ran much better than Tiago in the Classic.




Yea it sucked to have the classic on synthetic turf, but it was also a great race with 3 top class race horses, and one of the better betting opportunities betty butter

That is abit of an oxymoron.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Anytime you are Curlin and you lost to Tiag-slow ... you are disgraced.

Is the love affair finally over?

[letswastemoney]

Why would you want to convert syn figures to dirt? Wouldn't that be meaningless? You wouldn't do the same for turf figures...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Handicap tracks like Mountaineer and observe all these Woodbine shippers appearing in the cheap races with towering figures and you'll get a better idea why.

Personally ... I ignore speed figures in turf races. I don't even look at them. I don't bet very many races run over synthetic tracks ... but I don't totally ignore figures in synthetic track races because I think the variants can be trusted for both pace and final time.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Why would you want to convert syn figures to dirt? Wouldn't that be meaningless? You wouldn't do the same for turf figures...

The field is too bunched at the end of synthetic races to consistently produce big figures like you see on the dirt so it essentially brings bad horses up and good horses down on the figures. By adjusting for that on the assumption that a beaten length on synthetic is more significant than a beaten length on dirt you can at least get some sort of idea as to whether the synthetic horses would be fast enough to compete if they could replicate their synthetic performance on the dirt. From what the numbers at the start of the thread show, only The Pamplemousse was fast enough so the other synthetic horses will have to actually improve on the dirt to contend.