Dunkirk -- 2 Questions

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

iirc, Wasn't Real Quiet slightly built also?

Yes.

And he was sold for just 17K as a yearling.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes.

And he was sold for just 17K as a yearling.

My reference to Real Quiet was not in association with his or anyone elses auction price...

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think he's small...he does seem somewhat slightly built tho. i wonder tho how many yearlings don't fulfill their early promise?

Danzig seems to have little respect for Dunkirk and at least partly her position seems to be based upon him being "slight built" ...

The point of my reference to Real Quiet was to suggest that slightly built horses should not necessarilly be ruled out.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

My reference to Real Quiet was not in association with his or anyone elses auction price...




Danzig seems to have little respect for Dunkirk and at least partly her position seems to be based upon him being "slight built" ...

The point of my reference to Real Quiet was to suggest that slightly built horses should not necessarilly be ruled out.

but real quiet didn't also exhibit a need to be treated lightly. dunkirk must not be a hearty individual based on his lack of racing at two, and only three starts in his entire career. the slightly built part isn't the problem-his inability to withstand the rigors of training and racing is the problem-especially when you consider the race they are potentially pointing him towards.

[Travis Stone]

I'm not picking Dunkirk to win I don't think, but Big Brown was just as lightly raced last year was he not? The argument you're making is fine, however, it's too broad to apply to all horses. And simply put, it's a rigorous test for all horses.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm not picking Dunkirk to win I don't think, but Big Brown was just as lightly raced last year was he not? The argument you're making is fine, however, it's too broad to apply to all horses. And simply put, it's a rigorous test for all horses.

big brown also won the fla derby. i just think, all things considered, dunkirk has too much going against him to be a derby pick. i'm not suggesting he isn't a nice horse, or that he will never win again....i'm thinking only in the context of who has what it takes come may.

[NTamm1215]

There's a big difference between Dunkirk and Big Brown. The importance of BB making a start at 2 cannot be over-stated.

You also can't forget the caliber of competition Big Brown faced vs. what's in store for Dunkirk.

NT

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You also can't forget the caliber of competition Big Brown faced vs. what's in store for Dunkirk.

Wait, so this year's crop is better?!

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Danzig

big brown also won the fla derby.

Dunkirk ran second!! I don't get it. You're hellbent on Dunkirk not being in the race but this the Kentucky Stinkin' Derby. If you owned even just the horseshoe on his right-front hoof and you crossed the wire second to one of the favorites with a good run you'd go too.

There is a long, massive list of horses who should not have run in the Kentucky Derby. But, it's the Kentucky Derby. So whether or not Dunkirk is healthy enough to compete down the road is a moot point. They're going. So, the question should now be whether or not he's capable of making up the deficit to QR and the others not just a long list of reasons why he shouldn't go.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Dunkirk ran second!! I don't get it. You're hellbent on Dunkirk not being in the race but this the Kentucky Stinkin' Derby. If you owned even just the horseshoe on his right-front hoof and you grossed the wire second to one of the favorites with a good run you'd go too.

There is a long, massive list of horses who should not have run in the Kentucky Derby. But, it's the Kentucky Derby. So whether or not Dunkirk is healthy enough to compete down the road is a moot point. They're going. So, the question should now be whether or not he's capable of making up the deficit to QR and the others not just a long list of reasons why he shouldn't go.

yes, i know he did. but i don't think comparing big brown to dunkirk is relevant anyway. the horse has three lifetime starts, with nary a stakes win to his credit. i've said why i'm not picking him to win. and no, i don't think he can make up the difference-he hasn't even won a stakes as yet. if he wasn't trained by pletcher, and hadn't been bought for over 3 million by tabor et al, most would be laughing that he's even under consideration for the race. the fact that he's fashionably bred and fetched a large some doesn't suddenly make him derby material. if it did, the green monkey would have won by daylight a couple years back.