Please Expound Mr. President

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, more than three means it's all of them?

Just seems that way.

Originally Posted by Honu

Just seems that way.

People have said I seem silly, junvenile
and in no way funny, just irritating.
Does that make it true?

That was meant as a rhetorical question,
no answer required.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

People have said I seem silly, junvenile
and in no way funny, just irritating.
Does that make it true?

That was meant as a rhetorical question,
no answer required.

i guess this sample size is large enough to tell me that all teachers are irritating.

may not be true, just seems that way.


pat, i hope you know i'm just using you as a point of reference!

Originally Posted by Danzig

i guess this sample size is large enough to tell me that all teachers are irritating.

may not be true, just seems that way.


pat, i hope you know i'm just using you as a point of reference!

I will return to the meteorology
board where I am treated with honour
and referred to as Dr. Dewpoint.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Honu

Just seems that way.

Let me tell you why it seems that way. Who is going after the Muslims involved in 911? The leader of Turkey constantly looks for support to fight terrorism in his country. He's received logistical help from the U.S. This helps him fight the PKK Kurdish Terrorists that are in Northern Iraq. So, he has no problem sending troops of his own to kill Muslim Terrorists. Now, what about the Muslim terrorists that killed mainly Christians in New York? AHA, now we get to Honu's point. Of course not all Muslims want to blow things up etc., but they also don't have any interest in helping Christians go after fellow Muslims. This is why she probably feels Muslims aren't exactly torn up inside when terrorists kill Christians. Turkey is part of NATO. Are they sending in forces to fight the Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan? They sent a small token force, and they want it to be clear that they are a non-combat force. Whether the leader of Turkey wanted to send combat forces or not, he can't. The reason he can't, is because his Muslim population will not stand for helping Christians catch fellow Muslims. So, it's o.k. for Muslims to kill Muslims. It's absurd for a Muslim to fight fellow Muslims if it's to help Christians. That's why I agree with Honu about Muslims being quietly in favor of Muslims that blow themselves up. Moving their mouths is one thing. They are great at couching arguments to make Christians think stuff(such as Turks saying they are against terrorism.) Are they going after the Hamas terrorists? No, they encourage them. Why? This would mean Honu is mainly correct. Most Turks and other Muslims back the terrorist group Hamas. The reason they back that terrorist group is because they terrorize Jews. Why aren't Muslims willing to go after al-Qaida? It's because they terrorize Christians and Jews. Anytime the Turks and others want to help fight Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan etc. with actual blood, then I will be much more apt to disagree with HONU on this. Until then, I see nothing but a quiet encouragement by Muslims towards Muslim Terrorists that attack Non-Muslims.

[Honu]

Nice points Scuds and I thank you for having such good writing skills .
If you look on a world map where the densest Mulism populations are you will see that is where there is almost all the violence. When Muslim people live in an area where they are the minority there isnt as much violence , maybe its because they become assimilated to their enviroment or they realize once being out of their hostile enviroment that it is easier to live in peace.
I can honestly say that I hold a grudge against them , they attacked us for no good reason , they harmed so many people that never had touched their lives in anyway. They brought this upon themselves and I dont see enough of their leaders calling an end to it , its like they just dont care that the people who are most seen in the public eye are the one's killing innocent people and until then I most likely will view middle eastern Muslims as being of the terrorist nature. This is most likely a fault of mine and everyone else has the right to believe what they want.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Honu

Nice points Scuds and I thank you for having such good writing skills .
If you look on a world map where the densest Mulism populations are you will see that is where there is almost all the violence. When Muslim people live in an area where they are the minority there isnt as much violence , maybe its because they become assimilated to their enviroment or they realize once being out of their hostile enviroment that it is easier to live in peace.
I can honestly say that I hold a grudge against them , they attacked us for no good reason , they harmed so many people that never had touched their lives in anyway. They brought this upon themselves and I dont see enough of their leaders calling an end to it , its like they just dont care that the people who are most seen in the public eye are the one's killing innocent people and until then I most likely will view middle eastern Muslims as being of the terrorist nature. This is most likely a fault of mine and everyone else has the right to believe what they want.

you're confusing an entire group with a few sick, twisted individuals. in other words, you're giving right back what the few criminals gave to us- blind, unthinking hatred. some of them want all of us dead, apparently some of us feel the same way.
isn't that just grand...

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're confusing an entire group with a few sick, twisted individuals. in other words, you're giving right back what the few criminals gave to us- blind, unthinking hatred. some of them want all of us dead, apparently some of us feel the same way.
isn't that just grand...

Its not grand but they sure as hell dont represent themselves well , you know the peace loving one's , the ones we never hear from. Where are they ?Why arent they standing up against the people that they are allowing to speak the loudest for them ?
It didnt just start at the twin towers , it started long before that and we didnt do anything to stop them from becoming more brazen , we just let it go as issolated inccidents instead of showing some force on the subject.
They would do themselves a great bit of good to start showing some people in the news , people of clout amongst them denouncing and calling and end to violence , but instead they let "a few" as you call them speak for all.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Honu

Its not grand but they sure as hell dont represent themselves well , you know the peace loving one's , the ones we never hear from. Where are they ?Why arent they standing up against the people that they are allowing to speak the loudest for them ?
It didnt just start at the twin towers , it started long before that and we didnt do anything to stop them from becoming more brazen , we just let it go as issolated inccidents instead of showing some force on the subject.
They would do themselves a great bit of good to start showing some people in the news , people of clout amongst them denouncing and calling and end to violence , but instead they let "a few" as you call them speak for all.

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam...d_terrorism_2/

http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com/

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1052203.html


that's just for starters. i suggest you do searches from now on on topics, rather than just taking whatever bad news you hear as gospel. also, keep in mind what sells newspapers and tv ads-usually blood, guts, gloom and doom.
and of course it helps 'us' fight a war when we demonize and dehumanize the enemy, right?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam...d_terrorism_2/

http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com/

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1052203.html


that's just for starters. i suggest you do searches from now on on topics, rather than just taking whatever bad news you hear as gospel. also, keep in mind what sells newspapers and tv ads-usually blood, guts, gloom and doom.
and of course it helps 'us' fight a war when we demonize and dehumanize the enemy, right?

So how are we supposed to view the enemy ? Are we to just view them as misunderstood people ? I most likely can find just as many or more websites that condone Jihad . Do you think your outlook would have won us WW2 , I mean surely not all Germans , Japanese or Italians were bad guys right ?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam...d_terrorism_2/

http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com/

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1052203.html


that's just for starters. i suggest you do searches from now on on topics, rather than just taking whatever bad news you hear as gospel. also, keep in mind what sells newspapers and tv ads-usually blood, guts, gloom and doom.
and of course it helps 'us' fight a war when we demonize and dehumanize the enemy, right?

Where's the help in catching the scum that was in charge of the 9-11 killings? Talk is cheap. I will believe it when I see Muslim forces die fighting those who were in charge of 9-11.

[Riot]

Its not grand but they sure as hell dont represent themselves well , you know the peace loving one's , the ones we never hear from. Where are they ?Why arent they standing up against the people that they are allowing to speak the loudest for them ?

"They" are just like the overwhelming majority of their Christian or Jewish or Buddist or atheist fellow humans on this planet: they are going about their peaceful, moral lives, raising families, putting food on the table, working.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

"They" are just like the overwhelming majority of their Christian or Jewish or Buddist or atheist fellow humans on this planet: they are going about their peaceful, moral lives, raising families, putting food on the table, working.

No, most Muslims see Muslims as superior. This is why they have no interest in going after Muslim terrorist groups that attack Non-Muslims. This is why Nato member Turkey will not send men into combat to catch AL Quaeda etc. Their words are as you say. Their actions always show their actual beliefs. We care about catching those that killed innocent people on 9-11. If they were "just like the overwhelming majority of their Christian or Jewish or Buddist or atheist fellow humans on this planet" then they would also want to go after al Quaeda, but I see almost no interest in it coming from these people.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

"They" are just like the overwhelming majority of their Christian or Jewish or Buddist or atheist fellow humans on this planet: they are going about their peaceful, moral lives, raising families, putting food on the table, working.

"Avoid using your left hand while eating unless you are left-handed, though you may use it to peel fruits or separate meat from bones. In any case make sure that your left hand does not carry any food up to your mouth (due to explicit and strict cautioning against this in the Sunnah").


Now, you say they are like us. When's the last time you smacked a kid around for eating left-handed? I can bring someone in here, and he will tell you he got smacked around pretty good for eating left-handed (gee..he's left-handed...big surprise that he wanted to use his left hand.) All this because their proph thought people wouldn't overeat so much if they had to use just one hand to eat with.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

"They" are just like the overwhelming majority of their Christian or Jewish or Buddist or atheist fellow humans on this planet: they are going about their peaceful, moral lives, raising families, putting food on the table, working.

and you forgot to add raping their wives... its legal ya know!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Honu, you've created great clutter and disruption with this "all" word. I care. So, I have put a reminder note for myself n' you, and used it as my signature. I hope it helps. Just remember Chocolate M&M (MOST & MANY.)

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Honu

Nice points Scuds and I thank you for having such good writing skills .
If you look on a world map where the densest Mulism populations are you will see that is where there is almost all the violence. When Muslim people live in an area where they are the minority there isnt as much violence , maybe its because they become assimilated to their enviroment or they realize once being out of their hostile enviroment that it is easier to live in peace.
I can honestly say that I hold a grudge against them , they attacked us for no good reason , they harmed so many people that never had touched their lives in anyway. They brought this upon themselves and I dont see enough of their leaders calling an end to it , its like they just dont care that the people who are most seen in the public eye are the one's killing innocent people and until then I most likely will view middle eastern Muslims as being of the terrorist nature. This is most likely a fault of mine and everyone else has the right to believe what they want.

you guys are getting as bad as Morty and Cowgirl

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Honu

Nice points Scuds and I thank you for having such good writing skills .
If you look on a world map where the densest Mulism populations are you will see that is where there is almost all the violence. When Muslim people live in an area where they are the minority there isnt as much violence , maybe its because they become assimilated to their enviroment or they realize once being out of their hostile enviroment that it is easier to live in peace.
I can honestly say that I hold a grudge against them , they attacked us for no good reason , they harmed so many people that never had touched their lives in anyway. They brought this upon themselves and I dont see enough of their leaders calling an end to it , its like they just dont care that the people who are most seen in the public eye are the one's killing innocent people and until then I most likely will view middle eastern Muslims as being of the terrorist nature. This is most likely a fault of mine and everyone else has the right to believe what they want.

Are you talking about Timothy McVeigh?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Are you talking about Timothy McVeigh?

Yes but he is dead and therefore no longer a threat to anyone , everyone has a right to believe what they want and feel how they feel.
It took a very longtime for people to forgive the Japanese for attacking us , but they have shown themselves to be worth forgiving , Im not seeing that in this situation. To be honest we most likely should pull all of our troops out of those middle eastern countries right now because we arent going to win because they have no desire to change. It might be best to just let them blow each other up and spare us Americans and the next time they attack us just full on throw everything we have at them from the air and ask questions later.