4/4 (AQU): Wood (G1); Carter (G1); Bay Shore (G3); Excelsior (G3)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont get this argument at all, with free replays for all.

I think its funny that the Illinois Derby is held in such high standard that the Wood should delay their post, how about Hawthorne once they were late they might have delayed a few minutes since they were not on time to begin with?

I happen to agree, basically, with the orginal poster's contention that these races should not be run with any overlap. However, a serious attempt was made to do this yesterday, and the Illinois Derby going off four full minutes after their scheduled post caused yesterday's situation. Being that the Wood had already been moved to accomodate things, I just don't know what more we could have done, especially in light of our live broadcast encompassing two races. I wish the Illinois Derby had gone off in time for both races to have been seen live by any single viewer.

[golfer]

I did think it was a bit strange how little time there was between scratching the 8 horse in the first race, then running the race. Is that normal procedure? Ended up saving me a few $ when I got shut out trying to re-arrange my wagers.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I happen to agree, basically, with the orginal poster's contention that these races should not be run with any overlap. However, a serious attempt was made to do this yesterday, and the Illinois Derby going off four full minutes after their scheduled post caused yesterday's situation. Being that the Wood had already been moved to accomodate things, I just don't know what more we could have done, especially in light of our live broadcast encompassing two races. I wish the Illinois Derby had gone off in time for both races to have been seen live by any single viewer.

I didn't get to watch the Wood for at least 15 minutes after it was official..TVG couldn't show it live why i have no clue and NBC didn't even make mention of the race at all...Why i have no clue..Infact other then youbet I was in the dark... I have 60" TV's why in the word do I want to watch it streaming in a 4" box... To me the issue is why didn't NBC cover the race.. Who needed to watch the bloated Zayat and that fraud of poly horse POTN run against Kaka?

[Kasept]

Fred,

You could have watched it on MSG Network... They had the NYRA-produced broadcast.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Fred,

You could have watched it on MSG Network... They had the NYRA-produced broadcast.

I guess its obviously I don't have anyone who cares about my welfare at NYRA..lol Who would have thought MSG would have the rights.. On a serious note have they purchased the signal for other dates?

[philcski]

So has anybody heard anything about Biker Boy? He was heading sideways in the stretch, looked like a physical issue but he still managed to finish 4th.

[Linny]

freddymo, you have an issue with the network, not NYRA.
The NYRA guys were doing a 1 hour show for MSG-Plus and were on a tight schedule. They already shifted to accomodate HAW. I have no idea why HAW was late, I was at the rail at AQU when it was run.
Because my job often involves scheduling racing on TV, I can tell you that it's not easy co-ordinating between the track feeds of as many as 6 tracks. If one track is slow to load, has a late scratch or or just gets behind it messes up the whole thing.
Actually races start late more often than on time and to avoid any conflict the tracks should schedule such races at least 10 minutes apart. That can't always happen.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Linny

freddymo, you have an issue with the network, not NYRA.
The NYRA guys were doing a 1 hour show for MSG-Plus and were on a tight schedule. They already shifted to accomodate HAW. I have no idea why HAW was late, I was at the rail at AQU when it was run.
Because my job often involves scheduling racing on TV, I can tell you that it's not easy co-ordinating between the track feeds of as many as 6 tracks. If one track is slow to load, has a late scratch or or just gets behind it messes up the whole thing.
Actually races start late more often than on time and to avoid any conflict the tracks should schedule such races at least 10 minutes apart. That can't always happen.

I have no issues with NYRA other then they hired Serling...I used to hate NYRA because they were corrupt and unaccountable but recently they have done a fine job.. I really didn't see MSG advertise the race it would have been cool to actually see it live..

As for TVG...I actually think they do a fairly good job and find many of the the folks they have on TV fairly entertaining

[jms62]

To be completely honest here. I just now considered MSG coverage of the Wood. The decision to start before the Illinois finished may have been totally out of NYRA's hands.... Although it still sucks for the racing fan.. (And that opinion will never change) I wasn't aware of I Want Revenges extremely troubled start until I actually saw the repeat. I feel I missed out on a performance for the ages. It's like watching a repeat of last years Super Bowl when you already knew the outcome.

[King Glorious]

Question about Imperial Council's paddock incident. Do any of you think that cost him the race? I kinda feel like it didn't. I think it was more his preparation (or lack thereof) more than the flipping. If this race was at 8f, he was right there, might have even won so it's hard for me to think he didn't run his race. But that last furlong found him wanting.

[Travis Stone]

Imperial Council is a better horse than what he showed in the Wood. Better of course being the relative term, because better is not Derby Trail capable at this point, but a horse freaking-out in the paddock is certainly a plausible excuse.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Imperial Council is a better horse than what he showed in the Wood. Better of course being the relative term, because better is not Derby Trail capable at this point, but a horse freaking-out in the paddock is certainly a plausible excuse.

I'm not saying it's not an excuse but maybe the 9f was a bigger excuse. To me, it looked like if the race was 8f, he may have won the race and nobody would be using any excuses. He would have looked as good as he had before, his figures would have been better than they had been before. Up to 8f, I thought he was actually as good as or better than he had shown before, paddock incident and all. Perhaps the wasted energy caught up to him in the last furlong and that's the reason he backed up. Certainly possible. But I think it may also be a convenient excuse to cause some people to overlook the fact that this might have been the point where he was going to start weakening anyway.

[blackthroatedwind]

He was dead empty at the top of the stretch and there is zero chance that he was winning the race if it was a mile......for a whole variety of reasons.

But, you know that.

Imperial Council is a sh.ittier version of Denis of Cork...if that's even possible.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm not saying it's not an excuse but maybe the 9f was a bigger excuse.

He wasn't winning a 7 furlong race on Saturday.

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I didn't get to watch the Wood for at least 15 minutes after it was official..TVG couldn't show it live why i have no clue and NBC didn't even make mention of the race at all...Why i have no clue..Infact other then youbet I was in the dark... I have 60" TV's why in the word do I want to watch it streaming in a 4" box... To me the issue is why didn't NBC cover the race.. Who needed to watch the bloated Zayat and that fraud of poly horse POTN run against Kaka?

Didn't NBC show the stretch of the Wood? I was channel jumping so I'm not sure where I caught it. Regardless, the coverage was quite slim.