Talamo

[blackthroatedwind]

How could Talamo lose the ride after today? That's ridiculous.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How could Talamo lose the ride after today? That's ridiculous.

The owners realize that there are many better available options?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The owners realize that there are many better available options?

After spending the afternoon watching racing from all corners of the country....not many better options. Maybe Tony Farina?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

After spending the afternoon watching racing from all corners of the country....not many better options. Maybe Tony Farina?

Rosario has ridden just as long as Talamo has in America. Here's Rosario's yearly stats with dirt/syn track runners.

2006: 28-for-201 $2.57 ROI
2007: 128-for-841 $2.05 ROI
2008: 153-for-993 $2.13 ROI
2009: 54-for-328 $2.03 ROI

Career totals: 363-for-2,363 $2.13 ROI

And did they not just take Russel Baze off of Chocolate Candy - even though he had been winning on him - so Rosario could ride him in the SA Derby? Even though CC didn't win the SA Derby ... why not take any slight edge you can get?

Victor Espinoza has ridden in almost 5,300 route races since '98 - he shows a flat bet profit over those 5,300 races - he's won the Kentucky Derby before - he's the most physically gifted jockey of all-time. I'd rather have him than a 19yo who gets hailed as a great future star because he losses double the takeout at the FG - and actually gets praised for his Wood ride after IWR broke like an import with Jamie Spencer on him.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

After spending the afternoon watching racing from all corners of the country....not many better options. Maybe Tony Farina?

I think all of the Equestrian Room knows Tony's middle name now thanks to me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

I think all of the Equestrian Room knows Tony's middle name now thanks to me.

Most of Lexington...

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by philcski

I think all of the Equestrian Room knows Tony's middle name now thanks to me.

Tony " I Killed Pincay's Career" Farina.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The owners realize that there are many better available options?

Thankfully the world doesn't always work that way.

I would love to know, however, how Stewart Elliot was chosen for West Side Bernie ( not that he should have won ) while Ramon was left sitting in the room.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thankfully the world doesn't always work that way.

I would love to know, however, how Stewart Elliot was chosen for West Side Bernie ( not that he should have won ) while Ramon was left sitting in the room.

I think the last year Kelly had a public stable (at Monmouth) he was using Stewart. I was using him on a horse at Monmouth and I think I remember him getting some action from Kelly when Bravo started riding a lot for Levine. In reality, I would think they had no idea Ramon would be open when they gave Stewart the call. They also might have been thinking about the next race as well. Who knows.

Eric

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I would love to know, however, how Stewart Elliot was chosen for West Side Bernie ( not that he should have won ) while Ramon was left sitting in the room.

Great point!

I was wondering the same thing.

WSB's previous dirt route at GP was pretty damn sneaky good actually...and I think I remember you saying so much.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thankfully the world doesn't always work that way.

I would love to know, however, how Stewart Elliot was chosen for West Side Bernie ( not that he should have won ) while Ramon was left sitting in the room.

While there's no room for argument when debating the merits of Ramon Dominguez and Stewart Elliot. I can only think of threes point that Breen was thinking.

1. Look at the pp's and see the J/c Combo. While just about all those wins were in NJ, they have had success together.

2. He trusts the Stewart and know that he will honour is committment to ride in the Derby.

3. He had an agreement with Elliot to ride two horses and was not going to boot him.

The good thing about the Wood is the best horse won the race. I Want Revenge had to overcome a tough trip and regardless of the quality of this field, he ran a heck of a race.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thankfully the world doesn't always work that way.

I would love to know, however, how Stewart Elliot was chosen for West Side Bernie ( not that he should have won ) while Ramon was left sitting in the room.

Or Migliore.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The owners realize that there are many better available options?

LOL. "Wanting" another jock because you have a vested interest is certainly understandable, but suggesting validity that he actually lose the mount because of today's ride? Come on. Maybe your emotions are preventing you from seeing how good, all things considered, of a ride he actually gave that horse today.

IEAH could be enigmatic, and I don't know if the original deal -- where Lanzman controls the horse -- still stands. His ROI at FG is irrelevant.

Eric

[ArlJim78]

i don't see why they would rock the boat at this point, they would have to be nuts to switch riders on IWR for the derby, no matter who is available. One of his strengths is patience, like we saw today, and that is a good thing to have in the derby.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i don't see why they would rock the boat at this point, they would have to be nuts to switch riders on IWR for the derby, no matter who is available. One of his strengths is patience, like we saw today, and that is a good thing to have in the derby.

I thought the horse ran huge today. Talamo also did a great job not panicking either and put the horse in a position where he could win. But I also think that he didn't have any pressure on him either. IWR's ticket was already punched for Kentucky and Talamo was able to just sit back and relax and see how the race unfolded. I wonder if he would have ridden any different if they went in to the race know that they needed to win it.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I thought the horse ran huge today. Talamo also did a great job not panicking either and put the horse in a position where he could win. But I also think that he didn't have any pressure on him either. IWR's ticket was already punched for Kentucky and Talamo was able to just sit back and relax and see how the race unfolded. I wonder if he would have ridden any different if they went in to the race know that they needed to win it.

I agree with you 1000% -- Talamo showed calm and cool, and he didn't panic at all. Many times you see it and when you see it you know it. It is certainly different sitting in the saddle than it is in the grandstand. Regardless, I am not a huge fan of his, but I think today he showed a maturity when the heat was on.

So, as you said, the ticket was punched. However, I am not so sure it would played out that way. That colt gets beat today because he never gets out, maybe the kid gets a bit shaky when he's in tight, etc. -- now do the connections have something to talk about? Taking him inside? Second guessing? The "no pressure" ride -- I don't think it's that simple.

Eric

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by ELA

So, as you said, the ticket was punched. However, I am not so sure it would played out that way. That colt gets beat today because he never gets out, maybe the kid gets a bit shaky when he's in tight, etc. -- now do the connections have something to talk about? Taking him inside? Second guessing? The "no pressure" ride -- I don't think it's that simple.

Eric

That's a very valid point, but also in this situation (with the jockey only being 19) they might be having these discussions anyway. And I'm guessing that the phone will probably ring a few times in the next couple of weeks to see how committed they are to Talamo.
I hope he keeps the mount. I think Andy said it best on the MSG show/feed. When he said that we all just saw something very special. I think he was right, that's one of those trips/races that people will remember/be talking about for years to come.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How could Talamo lose the ride after today? That's ridiculous.

for once we agree , i thought it was a great ride , this was the type of race that ramon wouldn't have won on but talamo did

ramon would have found more trouble and finished 3rd cuse he ain't that good

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

for once we agree , i thought it was a great ride , this was the type of race that ramon wouldn't have won on but talamo did

ramon would have found more trouble and finished 3rd cuse he ain't that good

I just don't think that's possible.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I just don't that's possible.

You're right.

I think Herberto Castillo could have come out of retirement and won on him. Forget Dominguez .. who is an excellent jock.