Best Horse Not to Win the Derby

gotta divide this up into early earth and recent earth...

Round Table.
How many saw the horse run?


Point Given.
The others are fading with my memory
and handicapping skills.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

gotta divide this up into early earth and recent earth...

Round Table.
How many saw the horse run?


Point Given.
The others are fading with my memory
and handicapping skills.

i just watched a couple replays of round table the other day. i don't think years from now anyone would tune into a show replaying curlin or point given...yet somehow, i think people would still watch round table and bold ruler, or secretariat and sham, affirmed and alydar.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by pgardn

gotta divide this up into early earth and recent earth...

Round Table.
How many saw the horse run?


Point Given.
The others are fading with my memory
and handicapping skills.

I never saw Round Table, but I do think progeny enters into the evaluation for a beaten Kentucky Derby horse's legacy.

He was a brother to Secretariat.


Round Table was surely active, but how successful was he as a stallion?


With similar glasses, my $$ on the best to have not won a Derby would definitely have Nashua in my exotic box wager.

(is it OK with the board administration and censors to type "exotic box" here?..... )

[Linny]

Not a bro to Secretariat but Round Table's sire Princequillo was Sec's broodmare sire.

I never saw him run either but I have studied him using various histories, including DRF's Champions which is a wonderful compilation. Round Table was an exceptional racer and a very good sire. He was an outstanding broodmare sire.

Round Table won 43 of 66 starts on the east and west coasts. He won major races on dirt and turf. He was a stakes winning 2yo in 1956 and was second in his final career start, the JCGC at 2 miles in late 1959, to Sword Dancer. At 3 he raced 22 times with 15 wins! One of those wins was the Hollywood Gold Cup on July 13th against his elders. In fact, his first start after his third in the Derby (in front of Bold Ruler) was a close2nd in the Californian against older.

He won from 4 to 13 furlongs and carried weight. He sired 83 stakes winners in an era when 30 or so mares was a full book.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by Linny

Not a bro to Secretariat but Round Table's sire Princequillo was Sec's broodmare sire.

Thanks, it's nice to know someone is reading a Californian's posts at 1:00AM Eastern Time....


I have a signed and numbered portrait (I love) of Secretariat to my left in this room, noting Princequillo in his immediate lineage. I erroneously jumped to the "brother" conclusion upon also noting Princequillo with Round Table and his lineage.

Thanks for the good catch.


And, sincere thanks for the stats on Round Table.


Very impressive.

[jpops757]

Cigar belongs somewhere in the top 10.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by jpops757

Cigar belongs somewhere in the top 10.

It is limited to horses who ran in the Derby.Otherwise Man O War would top the list and Native Dancer,Alydar,Bold Ruler and Easy Goer would be the only horses considered on the current list.

[jpops757]

OOPS my bad.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

Thanks, it's nice to know someone is reading a Californian's posts at 1:00AM Eastern Time....


I have a signed and numbered portrait (I love) of Secretariat to my left in this room, noting Princequillo in his immediate lineage. I erroneously jumped to the "brother" conclusion upon also noting Princequillo with Round Table and his lineage.

Thanks for the good catch.


And, sincere thanks for the stats on Round Table.


Very impressive.

Extra cup of coffee for the 3 hr drive home from Aqueduct had me up all night.

[letswastemoney]

Best Pal had a pretty good career after the Triple Crown was over. He should be up there.

[eajinabi]

I could say Easy Goer and Skip Away

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Linny

Not a bro to Secretariat but Round Table's sire Princequillo was Sec's broodmare sire.

I never saw him run either but I have studied him using various histories, including DRF's Champions which is a wonderful compilation. Round Table was an exceptional racer and a very good sire. He was an outstanding broodmare sire.

Round Table won 43 of 66 starts on the east and west coasts. He won major races on dirt and turf. He was a stakes winning 2yo in 1956 and was second in his final career start, the JCGC at 2 miles in late 1959, to Sword Dancer. At 3 he raced 22 times with 15 wins! One of those wins was the Hollywood Gold Cup on July 13th against his elders. In fact, his first start after his third in the Derby (in front of Bold Ruler) was a close2nd in the Californian against older.

He won from 4 to 13 furlongs and carried weight. He sired 83 stakes winners in an era when 30 or so mares was a full book.

he was also an incredibly sound racehorse, almost no breaks in his racing career. most consider him the best turf horse ever produced in the america. and he was fantastic on dirt as well.