Outrage over kill-penned former Paragallo mares..

[jezebel]

I have been working with rescue groups in the Southern California area for awhile, and this sort of story is all too common (though not usually on such a large scale with so many horses dumped from the same source). Sorry, I just don't buy the "I made a business decision and had no idea what would happen, I trusted the guy who picked them up" story when this jerk offered up in bulk a large amount of horses FOR FREE (according to the comments he's apparently made). That's a kill buyer's dream situation, and you can't tell me he didn't have a clue that those horses were in serious danger of being sold to slaughter. What he did was not illegal - but certainly inhumane and morally wrong IMO. Its so sad....

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by jezebel

I have been working with rescue groups in the Southern California area for awhile, and this sort of story is all too common (though not usually on such a large scale with so many horses dumped from the same source). Sorry, I just don't buy the "I made a business decision and had no idea what would happen, I trusted the guy who picked them up" story when this jerk offered up in bulk a large amount of horses FOR FREE (according to the comments he's apparently made). That's a kill buyer's dream situation, and you can't tell me he didn't have a clue that those horses were in serious danger of being sold to slaughter. What he did was not illegal - but certainly inhumane and morally wrong IMO. Its so sad....

I respect Mr. Paragallo for responding as he did, but wasn't sure how to take it after reading several times...but your "if it's too good to be true" take on the "free" horses is how I feel as well.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jezebel

Sorry, I just don't buy the "I made a business decision and had no idea what would happen, I trusted the guy who picked them up" story when this jerk offered up in bulk a large amount of horses FOR FREE (according to the comments he's apparently made). That's a kill buyer's dream situation, and you can't tell me he didn't have a clue that those horses were in serious danger of being sold to slaughter.

People have to be able to distance themselves mentally from the animal ultimately ending up dead because they no longer wanted it

[richard burch]

since he "doesn't care what people think of him"

i think he is a piece of ****.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by jezebel

I have been working with rescue groups in the Southern California area for awhile, and this sort of story is all too common (though not usually on such a large scale with so many horses dumped from the same source). Sorry, I just don't buy the "I made a business decision and had no idea what would happen, I trusted the guy who picked them up" story when this jerk offered up in bulk a large amount of horses FOR FREE (according to the comments he's apparently made). That's a kill buyer's dream situation, and you can't tell me he didn't have a clue that those horses were in serious danger of being sold to slaughter. What he did was not illegal - but certainly inhumane and morally wrong IMO. Its so sad....

I recall the case of Warren's mares as well here in California, he stated he too had no idea they were going to slaughter, the thing is, it doesn't take a rocket scientist in these tough times to know that NOBODY wants a large herd of horses to care for, clean, feed etc... It doesn't make financial sense. I have multiple horses of my own, and believe me, I full well understand the pressure and pinch of feeding them, but you can't just turn your back and walk away, I would have far more respect for someone humanely euthanizing or, yes, even placing a well aimed bullet in the horse's head than to subject them to the pain and agony of starving, becoming weak and ill and God forbid, subjected to the terror of a Mexican slaughter house, the point is these horses didn't asked to be created, when we breeders/owners became their guardians, we took on the responsability of their lives, it's entirely in our respective hands what happens to them from that point onward, and I can tell you as tough as it's been lately for everyone, this plight is still completely unacceptable and downright appalling.

[jezebel]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I recall the case of Warren's mares as well here in California, he stated he too had no idea they were going to slaughter, the thing is, it doesn't take a rocket scientist in these tough times to know that NOBODY wants a large herd of horses to care for, clean, feed etc... It doesn't make financial sense. I have multiple horses of my own, and believe me, I full well understand the pressure and pinch of feeding them, but you can't just turn your back and walk away, I would have far more respect for someone humanely euthanizing or, yes, even placing a well aimed bullet in the horse's head than to subject them to the pain and agony of starving, becoming weak and ill and God forbid, subjected to the terror of a Mexican slaughter house, the point is these horses didn't asked to be created, when we breeders/owners became their guardians, we took on the responsability of their lives, it's entirely in our respective hands what happens to them from that point onward, and I can tell you as tough as it's been lately for everyone, this plight is still completely unacceptable and downright appalling.

I totally agree (and I also remember the Warren situation). Its very hard for horse operations of all sizes right now (obviously with some notable exceptions) - numerous small time ranches are going under, and the horses are paying the price. Rescues are full to the brim - and I completely agree with euthanasia being a practical choice that far too many people won't consider.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I recall the case of Warren's mares as well here in California, he stated he too had no idea they were going to slaughter, the thing is, it doesn't take a rocket scientist in these tough times to know that NOBODY wants a large herd of horses to care for, clean, feed etc... It doesn't make financial sense. I have multiple horses of my own, and believe me, I full well understand the pressure and pinch of feeding them, but you can't just turn your back and walk away, I would have far more respect for someone humanely euthanizing or, yes, even placing a well aimed bullet in the horse's head than to subject them to the pain and agony of starving, becoming weak and ill and God forbid, subjected to the terror of a Mexican slaughter house, the point is these horses didn't asked to be created, when we breeders/owners became their guardians, we took on the responsability of their lives, it's entirely in our respective hands what happens to them from that point onward, and I can tell you as tough as it's been lately for everyone, this plight is still completely unacceptable and downright appalling.

people turn a blind eye, so easy to absolve yourself of wrongdoing when you turn your hands palm up and innocently roll your eyes, while saying 'i thought it was ok. i thought i found a good, (free) home for some unwanted (60!!) horses. i can't afford to feed them, i had too many (but the guy taking them doesn't??).

[Danzig]

my daughter called two days ago, she and a friend were out riding back roads and came upon an old cemetary. they got out to look around, read old dates on tombstones. there were two half starved horses wandering around the cemetary. she called me to ask advice. i told her to call the police and the humane society. she went back yesterday and the two were gone, so i hope they picked them up. she had been volunteering part time at the animal shelter, so hopefully they can find out if the two got picked up.
i told her they were probably let loose by the owners.

[TalkToTheHoof]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I recall the case of Warren's mares as well here in California, he stated he too had no idea they were going to slaughter, the thing is, it doesn't take a rocket scientist in these tough times to know that NOBODY wants a large herd of horses to care for, clean, feed etc... It doesn't make financial sense. I have multiple horses of my own, and believe me, I full well understand the pressure and pinch of feeding them, but you can't just turn your back and walk away, I would have far more respect for someone humanely euthanizing or, yes, even placing a well aimed bullet in the horse's head than to subject them to the pain and agony of starving, becoming weak and ill and God forbid, subjected to the terror of a Mexican slaughter house, the point is these horses didn't asked to be created, when we breeders/owners became their guardians, we took on the responsability of their lives, it's entirely in our respective hands what happens to them from that point onward, and I can tell you as tough as it's been lately for everyone, this plight is still completely unacceptable and downright appalling.

Exactly! This is so similar to the Warren case -- he thought he was giving his pregnant mares to an up-and-up horseman, who would race the offspring. Warren also saw this as a "home run" as he got to unload unwanted stock and he could still get breeders' awards if the offspring were successful at the track.

Very few people believed Warren then. I doubt that many are going to believe Paragallo now.

"I don't care what you peons on the forum think...but I'm going to explain myself anyways because I've been caught redhanded and, contrary to popular belief, have a conscience (but only when something I've done wrong is made public and can harm me financially)."

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

"I don't care what you peons on the forum think...but I'm going to explain myself anyways because I've been caught redhanded and, contrary to popular belief, have a conscience (but only when something I've done wrong is made public and can harm me financially)."

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I wouldn't be so sure....

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

"I don't care what you peons on the forum think...but I'm going to explain myself anyways because I've been caught redhanded and, contrary to popular belief, have a conscience (but only when something I've done wrong is made public and can harm me financially)."

[reese]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

"I don't care what you peons on the forum think...but I'm going to explain myself anyways because I've been caught redhanded and, contrary to popular belief, have a conscience (but only when something I've done wrong is made public and can harm me financially)."

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Right on all points.

[justindew]

Some new stuff...

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/va...ing-skeletons/

[Danzig]

"We keep our barren mares on the light side," Paragallo told the Paulick Report. "They’re out in big fields, about 80 acres. We used to give them big round bales, but you can’t get those in New York anymore, so we feed the equivalent of half a regular bale to each horse per day; the horses are getting between 22 1/2 and 25 pounds per day. Some of those horses might get their ass kicked and are a little skinnier. We don’t check them every day.




but i'm betting he gets three squares a day.