Outrage over kill-penned former Paragallo mares..

[SuffolkGirl]

my heart goes out to those poor horses..... how could anyone be so heartless?

[PPerfectfan]

I hate to say this but where is PETA when u need them? Now here is a situation where the peopel involved need to be harrassed and taken to task for this horrible situation. May he never win another race EVER.

[randallscott35]

And I'm supposed to be believe that Ernie didn't know?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

I hate to say this but where is PETA when u need them? Now here is a situation where the peopel involved need to be harrassed and taken to task for this horrible situation. May he never win another race EVER.

PETA doesn't do any animal rescue, nor support any animal abuse cases financially. They are a domestic terrorist organization.

I hope this** doesn't go away soon, and stays in the public eye [** the plight of excess horses that have outlived their current usefullness]

It's no secret that unwanted animals have always been killed. Far better than starvation and neglect.

But we bred them and we put them on this earth - we are responsible for them, they are indeed entitled to humane treatment before their death, and moreso, a humane death, be it a quick bullet in the back field of the farm or at the vets needle. I've euthanized hundreds of animals over my veterinary career, and each single life is important, each is an individual, and each one is entitled to a good death in kind hands.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Riot

PETA doesn't do any animal rescue, nor support any animal abuse cases financially. They are a domestic terrorist organization.

I hope this doesn't go away soon, and stays in the public eye.

It's no secret that unwanted animals have always been killed. Far better than starvation and neglect.

But we bred them and we put them on this earth - we are responsible for them, they are indeed entitled to humane treatment before their death, and moreso, a humane death, be it a quick bullet in the back field of the farm or at the vets needle. I've euthanized hundreds of animals over my veterinary career, and each single life is important, each is an individual, and each one is entitled to a good death in kind hands.

Riot, very well said. The idea that euthanasia can be completely avoided is not realistic. But suffering should not be allowed to occur. The same with the animals we eat. There is no place for animal abuse in this world.

[dagolfer33]

Thrown away like trash. What really disgusts me is invariably the ownership of these horses are "unaware" that the horses were destined for kill pens, slaughter, and other unacceptable treatment along the way. It is BS.

[randallscott35]

adjective=resembling an enigma; perplexing; mysterious


No mystery here.

[sumitas]

Why isn't he facing jail time ? Vick was jailed . Why isn't he suspended from horse racing ? Vick was suspended from the NFL . Horse racing's hands off policy has worked about as well as a de-regulated Wall Street .

If there were humane rules one would think that all his horses should be placed in receivership and managed by an appointed party . All Paraneck funds and purses would be frozen until this mess is throroughly investigated . We'll see what happens and if it's the usual right wing horse racing BS nothing will be done .

[outofthebox]

I know these mares' and believe me this is hurting. The last time i saw all these mares were in 06-07 and they were in fine health. There was a full staff working at the farm and it was run by some very hard working and horse loving people. Now i am worried about some of the horses i used to train, because i know they are out at that farm too..This sucks...

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

I know these mares' and believe me this is hurting. The last time i saw all these mares were in 06-07 and they were in fine health. There was a full staff working at the farm and it was run by some very hard working and horse loving people. Now i am worried about some of the horses i used to train, because i know they are out at that farm too..This sucks...

Sorry to hear that Alan.

[KirisClown]

Paragallo's explanation..


"This is Ernie Paragallo and I am writing to let every one know exactly what happened, I really don't care what any one on this board thinks about me but I want to get the facts out there so maybe some good can come from this and maybe it can stop it from happening in the future. The mares that are in question were the lucky one's in this terrible tragedy, there were a total of 24 mares that were given away to a breeder in florida in mid december. These mares were a part of a package of 60 horses that I had advertised with several bloodstock agents and breeding farms, I had offered the barren mares with a free breed back to any of my NY stallions or to my stallion King Of All Storms in florida. All the horses in this package of 60 were offered for free to the Bloodstock agents and farms, of the 60 horses we had given away about 6 to people in NY at a rate of 1-2 horses per person, in December I received a call from a person in florida who said he had received the list from a bloodstock agent and was interested in the horses, I asked how many and he answer ALL. This was a home run for my business we were going to move 60 horses that had limited value to us and were going to get the added benifits of having the mares bred back to our stallions and we had the potential to earn stallion awards for there offspring. Of the 60 horses 24 were barren mares withe breed back options, 13 pregnant mares where we were going to be co-breeders of the off spring, 10 old racehorses that were going to be used as ponies or pleasure/show horses and 13 2 Yo and 3 yo colt and fillies that they were going to race on a 60/40 split of income with then retaining the greater amount and also paying the entire upkeep. In December two vans arrived at our farm and picked up the 24 barren mares, the drivers said they would be back in a couple of days to pick up the rest. After a week we called back the gentleman who had called us but I never got an answer, safe to say he never came back for the rest. This morning I was called by my girlfriend crying to me about what she had been told and had read on the Rescue Website, I immeadiatly called the Rescue Group and try to find out what had happened. After speaking to them they told me that they knew who had sent the horses there and they believed he had done it before, they let me know that 8 horses had been rescued from the killing pen but believed the others had been slaughtered. This made me sick to hear as most of those mares I either foaled or had since they were babies and did not deserve that faith. This is what happened and I believed I had made the proper business decision but it did'nt turn out that way and it was a terrible tragedy. Like I said I don't care what any one thinks about me because you can not make me feel any worse about myself than I already feel. I have never sent a horse to the killer and I have never mistreated any horse i have ever own, I have gone to great lenghts to keep horses alive even when vets have told me to put them down, I was told by one of the most knowledgeable horsemen I know if they are eating and moving around and look happy there is no reason in the world to put them down."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by sumitas

Why isn't he facing jail time ? Vick was jailed . Why isn't he suspended from horse racing ? Vick was suspended from the NFL . Horse racing's hands off policy has worked about as well as a de-regulated Wall Street .

If there were humane rules one would think that all his horses should be placed in receivership and managed by an appointed party . All Paraneck funds and purses would be frozen until this mess is throroughly investigated . We'll see what happens and if it's the usual right wing horse racing BS nothing will be done .

Haven't you said you are a PETA member? If so, maybe you could consider no longer financially supporting the useless PETA, and instead consider sending your annual PETA donation to somewhere more useful to ending cases like like, such as Old Friends, etc.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Riot

Haven't you said you are a PETA member? If so, maybe you could consider no longer financially supporting the useless PETA, and instead consider sending your annual PETA donation to somewhere more useful to ending cases like like, such as Old Friends, etc.

i am not a peta member, never have been . now back to the subject please .

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

Thrown away like trash. What really disgusts me is invariably the ownership of these horses are "unaware" that the horses were destined for kill pens, slaughter, and other unacceptable treatment along the way. It is BS.

Plenty of people drop their dogs and cats and horses off at animal shelters and rescue places, or simply turn them out in the wild, and once they turn and walk away, they mentally absolve themselves of any more responsibility for what subsequently happens to the animal.

Some few could care less, but the vast majority of these owners care quite a bit. Some people feel guilty of such a thing their entire lives. People do the best they can with the resources they have.

It takes alot of guts to kill an animal who is not old, infirmed, or in pain, just because it isn't wanted by the current owner. And few vets will do that. "Good homes" for these animals are rare to non-existent.

There are too many animals, and not enough owners. Period.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

Plenty of people drop their dogs and cats and horses off at animal shelters and rescue places, or simply turn them out in the wild, and once they turn and walk away, they mentally absolve themselves of any more responsibility for what subsequently happens to the animal.

Some few could care less, but the vast majority of these owners care quite a bit. Some people feel guilty of such a thing their entire lives. People do the best they can with the resources they have.

It takes alot of guts to kill an animal who is not old, infirmed, or in pain, just because it isn't wanted by the current owner. And few vets will do that. "Good homes" for these animals are rare to non-existent.

There are too many animals, and not enough owners. Period.

Well( like I said a few weeks ago,) they found a Meth addict running a Min Pin puppy mill out in Riverside, Ca.( shocking!) Their drinking water was filthy, and she had "de-barked" them by incorrectly cutting something in the back of their throats. They advertised on local news shows that they needed homes for them. I would of taken a couple, but they wanted to charge me $300 a piece for them. Rescue means different things to different people. I'm gunna be out plenty taking care of them. Why would I want to be out $600 to start with? There are 2 dogs that could be here in the right set-up for them, but they must not need it badly enough.

[dagolfer33]

When one of these large transfers/transactions of horses occurs, are there manifests and bill of sale/donation/or transfer of ownership? Does anyone know?