The Florida Derby Beyer seems to have been changed

[pweizer]

"The figure for the Florida Derby looked low."

Not that is some explanation...

Paul

[MISTERGEE]

yes, overly technical

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

yes, overly technical

Whatever number you give it ... it is a pure guessing game.

And the reason why is because GP only carded one two-turn dirt route - and to make matters much worse you had very heavy wind on the day.

[philcski]

By the way, if I make an adjustment for the mile races' times based on the no runup, I match Drugs' 106.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by philcski

By the way, if I make an adjustment for the mile races' times based on the no runup, I match Drugs' 106.

How are your figures matching up with what they publish for Santa Anita?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

How are your figures matching up with what they publish for Santa Anita?

I really hope Phil isn't wasting time making figures for Santa Anita.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I really hope Phil isn't wasting time making figures for Santa Anita.

I am.

And I've bet about 9 races on syn there all meet.

Sad - I know.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

How are your figures matching up with what they publish for Santa Anita?

Sniper's right, I don't waste my time there. Actually my database is really behind because I've hardly played anything in the last 6 months thanks to the economy. Going to get it up and running for Keeneland and Churchill.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by philcski

Sniper's right, I don't waste my time there. Actually my database is really behind because I've hardly played anything in the last 6 months thanks to the economy. Going to get it up and running for Keeneland and Churchill.

So are you taking the same approach as others in the thread regarding using poly horses in the Derby?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Whatever number you give it ... it is a pure guessing game.

And the reason why is because GP only carded one two-turn dirt route - and to make matters much worse you had very heavy wind on the day.

Careful with that statement....may rise some eyebrows

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by pweizer

"The figure for the Florida Derby looked low."

Not that is some explanation...

Paul

"we concluded there had been a change in the historic relationship between times at 1 1/8 miles and other distances at Gulfstream. We don't know why, but we did know that many of the 1 1/8-mile figures had to be increased."

The official explanation almost makes it sound like they didn't know 9 furlongs was 2 turns or something, which obviously isn't the case.

The Truth is that there is pressure for beyer figs to represent the performance of the horse. If they represent the performance of the horse, then (ridiculous?) claims such as "Quality Road's 109 beyer certifies him as KD contender...." can be made. Also it sounds less ridiculous to say a horse bounced or regressed, that happened to clearly move forward.

The effort has to be made to represent a good performance. If beyers aren't misconstrued as performance figures, then what the hell good are they?

How do the graph and sheets describe the race? I don't check those, but if they are calling QR and Dunkirk's race top prep performances, it further strengthens this point.

Also credit Phil for being one of the first regulars to have a clue, Brother.