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[miraja2]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

I love seeing all the protest about Notre Dame letting Obama speak at this years graduation ceremony. He has absolutely no place at ND, it makes no sense letting someone speak who goes against everything your University stands for and believes in. Good to see bishops and priest along with many others getting all over them for it. If they go through with it and let Obama be the speaker, I will lose a lot of respect that I have for them.

http://notredamescandal.com/

The Catholic Church also opposes the Death Penalty.
Just out of curiosity, would you "lose a lot of respect" for the school if they allowed someone who was in favor of the Death Penalty to speak at the school?

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by miraja2

The Catholic Church also opposes the Death Penalty.
Just out of curiosity, would you "lose a lot of respect" for the school if they allowed someone who was in favor of the Death Penalty to speak at the school?

I think in the bible it does read "an eye for an eye"

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

I think in the bible it does read "an eye for an eye"

Then why does the Cathoic Church officially oppose the Death Penalty?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Then why does the Cathoic Church officially oppose the Death Penalty?

It would be pretty hypocritical of them not to...but I guess that has never stopped them before

[Antitrust32]

Can you buy condoms on campus at ND? Is there a REALLY bad STD problem there?

just wondering


and by the way Irish, I really disagree with a lot of the liberal ideas Obama is implementing, but I would jump on a chance to see him speak... Also, I didnt agree with tons of things Bush did, but I'd love to see him speak as long as he brought a translator.

abortion is a touchy subject.. but I know a few women who have had them (as does everybody), and I would never judge them for making that hard decision.

[miraja2]

The thing I don't get - and the reason I brought up the death penalty - is why abortion seems to be the only issue that matters for some people.
For people like IrishofNDMan, it seems like as long as the person is anti-choice they are welcome at a place like ND, even if they disagree with the Church about other issues. If some other person agrees on a lot of the issues the Church has an opinion on, but is pro-choice....well, that person isn't welcome.
Now, clearly this isn't reflective of all Catholics, because Obama got 54% of the Catholic vote (as compared to under 50% of the Protestant vote), but a few high-profile Catholics have seemed to raise the anti-choice agenda as the one and only criteria for being a true Catholic.
As a former Catholic, that seems a little odd to me.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by miraja2

The thing I don't get - and the reason I brought up the death penalty - is why abortion seems to be the only issue that matters for some people.
For people like IrishofNDMan, it seems like as long as the person is anti-choice they are welcome at a place like ND, even if they disagree with the Church about other issues. If some other person agrees on a lot of the issues the Church has an opinion on, but is pro-choice....well, that person isn't welcome.
Now, clearly this isn't reflective of all Catholics, because Obama got 54% of the Catholic vote (as compared to under 50% of the Protestant vote), but a few high-profile Catholics have seemed to raise the anti-choice agenda as the one and only criteria for being a true Catholic.
As a former Catholic, that seems a little odd to me.

well said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_BWMG8a3io

[AeWingnut]

the term anti-choice is so Orwellian

Someone explained to me that Norte Dame is no longer a Catholic School that many of the students aren't catholic and many of the professors are pretty much Ward Churchill.

Another fine institution taken over by parasites. I guess it is true that 97% of the seniors do want him to speak.

[AeWingnut]

I find it more ironic/ sad that people that are against the death penalty have zero problem with the murder of the innocent

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I find it more ironic/ sad that people that are against the death penalty have zero problem with the murder of the innocent

Touche. Is it not the de facto anti-choice position to be pretty seriously thrilled with the death penalty? Good lord, I honestly can't remember the last time someone was anti-choice AND anti-death penalty. Ie, Killing real humans is totally good, it's just the murdering of blatocysts that's wrong.

10-4.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

The thing I don't get - and the reason I brought up the death penalty - is why abortion seems to be the only issue that matters for some people.
For people like IrishofNDMan, it seems like as long as the person is anti-choice they are welcome at a place like ND, even if they disagree with the Church about other issues. If some other person agrees on a lot of the issues the Church has an opinion on, but is pro-choice....well, that person isn't welcome.
Now, clearly this isn't reflective of all Catholics, because Obama got 54% of the Catholic vote (as compared to under 50% of the Protestant vote), but a few high-profile Catholics have seemed to raise the anti-choice agenda as the one and only criteria for being a true Catholic.
As a former Catholic, that seems a little odd to me.

i asked the same type thing a few weeks back in a thread that followed similar lines.
notre dame isn't a strictly catholic institution, so i don't see that a school who has a divergent student body can suddenly cry foul and use their supposed 'school religion' as a reason to bar a speaker.

and as a former catholic, a lot of what the church does, what it stands for, is odd to me.

[philcski]

I'm still trying to figure out how someone who goes to Michigan State has such a strong pulse on what's going on at Notre Dame.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

I think in the bible it does read "an eye for an eye"

it also says turn the other cheek.

but then, i've always found that you can back up your position, whatever it may be, with something found somewhere in that book.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it also says turn the other cheek.

but then, i've always found that you can back up your position, whatever it may be, with something found somewhere in that book.

i think it is unbelievable how many people believe that thing word for word. Simply unbelievable.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i think it is unbelievable how many people believe that thing word for word. Simply unbelievable.

Or more importantly, how many claim to, but really only believe it's literal when it fits what they want to hear.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Or more importantly, how many claim to, but really only believe it's literal when it fits what they want to hear.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Or more importantly, how many claim to, but really only believe it's literal when it fits what they want to hear.

2nd


...And Notre Dame still sucks.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by philcski

2nd


...And Notre Dame still sucks.

Wonder how many are taking this one literally:

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Originally Posted by miraja2

The Catholic Church also opposes the Death Penalty.
Just out of curiosity, would you "lose a lot of respect" for the school if they allowed someone who was in favor of the Death Penalty to speak at the school?

I think in the bible it does read "an eye for an eye"

Knights of Colombus that was a horrible retort.

Im sure you are well-intentioned, but this is just
an awful response. The Pope would seriously
have to slap you. Eye for an eye...

Im sorry for my lack of sensitivity.
You gotta have a better answer than this.