NCAA Tournament Playalong Thread

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think he's a carbon copy of Chris Jackson. Scariest player I've ever played against.

I think Lawson will have a decent pro career. Probably not destined to be an all-star or anything like that but can provide something in the 12-15 point, 6-8 assist per night range.

One guy I love that's not getting any mention is Lester Hudson. Reminds me a lot of Rodney Stuckey but he's better.

I dont think he is near the ahtlete Jackson was. I think Lawson has a chance to be Raymond Felton the 2nd. A bottom 1/3rd of the league PG on a weak team. Didn't Hudson declare last year and go back to school?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think he is near the ahtlete Jackson was. I think Lawson has a chance to be Raymond Felton the 2nd. A bottom 1/3rd of the league PG on a weak team. Didn't Hudson declare last year and go back to school?

Felton has averaged:
14.0 and 7.0
14.4 and 7.4
13.7 and 6.8 this season

Those aren't great but they are respectable and even a little bit more when you look at the team he plays for. The Bobcats are the second lowest scoring team in the league and points are at a premium there. I don't agree with you in him being in the bottom third. I'd put him in the top 15.

I'm not sure what kind of athlete Curry is but I know he's a big time player. Seeing what he did against major competition was enough to let me know that. Watching him this year was even more impressive. I thought he made a very smooth transition to point guard. He had a lot of turnovers but the more I watched, the more I became convinced that it was more his teammates fault than his. They seemed like they were never able to catch his passes but his passes were often on the mark. I think he's going to be able to hit the NBA and give a team 15+ a night and I think he might make a bigger contribution as a second team point guard because he's going to be much better than what any opponent will bring in.

I don't know about Hudson declaring last year but I think any team will be lucky to have him. He's only 6-2 but he's such a great athlete. He rebounds like he's 6-8. I know his league is full of suspect competition but over the past two seasons, he's gone for 35 and 10 boards against Memphis, 27-11 against Mississippi St, 26-11 against UNLV, 36-9 against Vanderbilt, and 33-12 against Auburn. That's getting it done. Last year, he had 11 double-doubles and two triple-doubles (one of them a quadruple). This year, 11 more double-doubles. He's also had 10 games where he missed a double-double by just one rebound. Now, I don't expect him to produce like that in the NBA and of course, he won't be putting up 7+ boards a night in the league but there are some guys that are undersized that just have a knack for how to get it done. Guys like Lafayette Lever and Jason Kidd. Guys like Rajon Rondo and Russell Westbrook, both guys in that 6-1 to 6-3 range that average around five boards a game.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

some guys that are undersized that just have a knack for how to get it done. Guys like Lafayette Lever and Jason Kidd. Guys like Rajon Rondo and Russell Westbrook, both guys in that 6-1 to 6-3 range that average around five boards a game.

Fat Lever was really a PG.
Rondo has a lot of help, still lacks the jumper.
Kidd is pure PG, he runs the show (past tense now, I
think physically he has really declined).

Westbrook has suprised the hell out of me.
He is such a great athlete it helps him quite a bit.
I still think he is 2 though.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Fat Lever was really a PG.
Rondo has a lot of help, still lacks the jumper.
Kidd is pure PG, he runs the show (past tense now, I
think physically he has really declined).

Westbrook has suprised the hell out of me.
He is such a great athlete it helps him quite a bit.
I still think he is 2 though.

Ok. I'm not saying Hudson is a point guard though.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Felton has averaged:
14.0 and 7.0
14.4 and 7.4
13.7 and 6.8 this season

Those aren't great but they are respectable and even a little bit more when you look at the team he plays for. The Bobcats are the second lowest scoring team in the league and points are at a premium there. I don't agree with you in him being in the bottom third. I'd put him in the top 15.

I'm not sure what kind of athlete Curry is but I know he's a big time player. Seeing what he did against major competition was enough to let me know that. Watching him this year was even more impressive. I thought he made a very smooth transition to point guard. He had a lot of turnovers but the more I watched, the more I became convinced that it was more his teammates fault than his. They seemed like they were never able to catch his passes but his passes were often on the mark. I think he's going to be able to hit the NBA and give a team 15+ a night and I think he might make a bigger contribution as a second team point guard because he's going to be much better than what any opponent will bring in.

I don't know about Hudson declaring last year but I think any team will be lucky to have him. He's only 6-2 but he's such a great athlete. He rebounds like he's 6-8. I know his league is full of suspect competition but over the past two seasons, he's gone for 35 and 10 boards against Memphis, 27-11 against Mississippi St, 26-11 against UNLV, 36-9 against Vanderbilt, and 33-12 against Auburn. That's getting it done. Last year, he had 11 double-doubles and two triple-doubles (one of them a quadruple). This year, 11 more double-doubles. He's also had 10 games where he missed a double-double by just one rebound. Now, I don't expect him to produce like that in the NBA and of course, he won't be putting up 7+ boards a night in the league but there are some guys that are undersized that just have a knack for how to get it done. Guys like Lafayette Lever and Jason Kidd. Guys like Rajon Rondo and Russell Westbrook, both guys in that 6-1 to 6-3 range that average around five boards a game.

I think that Curry has one strength, shooting open shots. Nothing else he does is very good. He is not an NBA point guard. Just because he handled the ball against a bunch of 2nd raters doesnt mean he can play the position. West virginia had guys with length which he will be matched up with at the next level and he absolutely was awful. He is a mirage. When people talk about a guy being a player and having intangibles, i cringe. Because those guys almost never make it at the next level. Curry does not have the physical gifts to be a factor in the NBA. If he goes to a team that can use him properly, as a spot up shooter playing off of another good scorer he will be ok. If someone tries to make him a point guard they will be really disappointed.


PG's better than Felton
Chris paul
Deron Williams
Tony Parker
Chauncey Billips
Steve Nash
Baron Davis
Jasn Kidd
Gilbert Arenas
Mike Bibby
Jamal Crawford
Rajon Rondo
Derrrick Rose
Devin Harris
Jameer nelson
Mo Williams
Allen Iverson
Andre Miller
Jason Terry
TJ Ford
Jose Calderon

ok the last 2 are stretches

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

PG's better than Felton
Chris paul - Yes
Deron Williams - Yes
Tony Parker - Yes
Chauncey Billips - Yes
Steve Nash - Yes
Baron Davis - Yes
Jasn Kidd - Not anymore
Gilbert Arenas - No, I don't consider him a PG
Mike Bibby - Maybe
Jamal Crawford - No
Rajon Rondo - Yes
Derrrick Rose - Yes
Devin Harris - Yes
Jameer nelson - Yes
Mo Williams - Maybe
Allen Iverson - No
Andre Miller - No
Jason Terry - No
TJ Ford - No
Jose Calderon - No

More than the last two are stretches. So in my mind he's 11th at best and 13th at worst.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

More than the last two are stretches. So in my mind he's 11th at best and 13th at worst.

I think you are underestimating Andre Miller. The Sixers wouldnt even be in playoff contention if he weren't here.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

More than the last two are stretches. So in my mind he's 11th at best and 13th at worst.

Apparantly you have too busy hating on Lebron to watch Mo Williams this year. Maybe? Please, it isn't even close. Bibby is easily better player and JKidd is still better than Felton. Jason Terry is a better player than Felton, unquestionably. Jamal Crawford is a better player than Felton though he is better suited to 2 guard. Allen Iverson? Come on be serious.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Apparantly you have too busy hating on Lebron to watch Mo Williams this year. Maybe? Please, it isn't even close. Bibby is easily better player and JKidd is still better than Felton. Jason Terry is a better player than Felton, unquestionably. Jamal Crawford is a better player than Felton though he is better suited to 2 guard. Allen Iverson? Come on be serious.

Allen Iverson is a great point guard? In what sport? Kidd and Terry are washed up and Bibby's average. And there's no hating on LeBron, he's a great player but his inability to consistently make jumpers will kill the Cavs in the playoffs once again if the games are officiated fairly.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Allen Iverson is a great point guard? In what sport? Kidd and Terry are washed up and Bibby's average. And there's no hating on LeBron, he's a great player but his inability to consistently make jumpers will kill the Cavs in the playoffs once again if the games are officiated fairly.

I recall him leading a horrific team to the Finals as a PG. Terry and Kidd washed up are still better than Felton. Bibby may be average but that also is still better than Felton. Felton simply isnt very good, he is average, very average or less.

LeBron is better than the hype if possible. Total player who gets better every year. Stop with the refs already. What team has gotten more calls in history of basketball than Boston? I'm supposed to believe that the Cleveland Cavaliers are now the darlings of the NBA's refs? The reason that LeBron gets so many calls is that he is bigger, faster and stronger than every player guarding him. What else is there to do? The Cavs have a clear path to the Finals. Mo Williams was the missing piece that puts them over the top. Of course you think he is maybe better than Ray Felton....

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

PG's better than Felton
Chris paul
Deron Williams
Tony Parker
Chauncey Billips
Steve Nash
Baron Davis
Jasn Kidd
Gilbert Arenas
Mike Bibby
Jamal Crawford
Rajon Rondo
Derrrick Rose
Devin Harris
Jameer nelson
Mo Williams
Allen Iverson
Andre Miller
Jason Terry
TJ Ford
Jose Calderon

ok the last 2 are stretches

Gilbert Arenas, Allen Iverson, Jason Terry points...
not.


Move Baron Davis way down now.
Ulcers and he has gone Hollywood.
He does not even like basketball anymore imo.

I also like Andre Miller.
Even though he is fairly slow he is as strong
as any on that list.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Gilbert Arenas, Allen Iverson, Jason Terry points...
not.


Move Baron Davis way down now.
Ulcers and he has gone Hollywood.
He does not even like basketball anymore imo.

I also like Andre Miller.
Even though he is fairly slow he is as strong
as any on that list.

Who was playing PG when Arenas plays? Arenas. What position has Iverson played most of his career and where did he play in Denver? PG. Baron Davis is on the Clippers. You wouldnt like basketball either if you played there. And that list wasnt a ranking, just off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who was playing PG when Arenas plays? Arenas. What position has Iverson played most of his career and where did he play in Denver? PG. Baron Davis is on the Clippers. You wouldnt like basketball either if you played there. And that list wasnt a ranking, just off the top of my head.

Tim Duncan is a center...
Uhhh power forward.

Then I think we probably need to take into account that
some teams play without PGs.
Washington and Denver played without PG's when Arenas
and Iverson handle the ball more than anyone else.
Maybe we just have very diff. definitions.

A thought enters my head while watching the Thunder
vs. Spurs.
What if the Thunder get Griffin?
The talent on that team...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Tim Duncan is a center...
Uhhh power forward.

Then I think we probably need to take into account that
some teams play without PGs.
Washington and Denver played without PG's when Arenas
and Iverson handle the ball more than anyone else.
Maybe we just have very diff. definitions.

A thought enters my head while watching the Thunder
vs. Spurs.
What if the Thunder get Griffin?
The talent on that team...

They may not fit the classic definition of PG's but they handle the ball more than anyone else and the offense is run by them and often through them. They are both unique players that may be detrimental to the overall success of their teams because they dont fit the traditional roles which makes it harder to fill in the spots around them. Iverson and a ball controlling Point guard would not work because he doesnt work as well without the ball. Doesnt mean he isnt a better player than Raymond Felton. I mean how can we even be having this conversation?

Michigan State.

They're a real good team.

/Captain Obvious

[AeWingnut]

I have a friend that graduated from Michigan state. he is really happy. He actually picked the final 4

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think he is near the ahtlete Jackson was. I think Lawson has a chance to be Raymond Felton the 2nd. A bottom 1/3rd of the league PG on a weak team. Didn't Hudson declare last year and go back to school?

Felton's the guy that I think of too, though I think Lawson is a little better. I don't think Felton's a bottom third point guard though. He's in the top half at the least.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Felton's the guy that I think of too, though I think Lawson is a little better. I don't think Felton's a bottom third point guard though. He's in the top half at the least.

Felton is just ok though I admit it is hard to sit through an entire Bobcats game so I rarely see him much.

[SniperSB23]

Blake Griffin is bigger than Tony Gonzalez, stronger than Tony Gonzalez, faster than Tony Gonzalez, and jumps higher than Tony Gonzalez. Assuming he can catch a football the NFL is losing out on a heck of a TE.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Blake Griffin is bigger than Tony Gonzalez, stronger than Tony Gonzalez, faster than Tony Gonzalez, and jumps higher than Tony Gonzalez. Assuming he can catch a football the NFL is losing out on a heck of a TE.

Even though he can probably bench more than Shaq.
He will be the 2nd strongest player in the NBA as a 20 year old.
He is a monster athlete.