Scat Daddy or Circular Quay?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess this is directed at me. Well for the record read the first two posts of this thread. You thought "Scat Daddy is a better horse and will assert himself Monday as the early deserving favorite for the Breeders' Cup Juvenile." I said "I think Circular Quay has a ton of untapped potential, and I think Monday may be his coming out party. I love the fact that Pletcher has been laying low all meet with the horse, waiting for this spot, and I expect a HUGE effort Monday." There is no bandwagon jumping here. You are the king of the post race analysis, and all one would have to do would be read your post race analysis of the Hopeful to see that.

Great, now lets bet $100 on who will finish ahead of one another in the BC Juvenile...I'll tae Scat Daddy and you can have your CQ - who is clearly better than Scat Daddy, right.....

Comon, put your money where your mouth is, DaHoss....that is the ultimate sign of knowing what you are doing or not....Can you baack your horse racing knowledge and intuitrion with cash?...How much faith do you have in yourself about your evaluations of horses in this game?..Don't let yourself down...prove you know what you are talking about....

Oh, and whe you win (haha), I'll neeed to know who to make the check out to because I don't think your bank will cash a check made out to DaHoss

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Great, now lets bet $100 on who will finish ahead of one another in the BC Juvenile...I'll tae Scat Daddy and you can have your CQ - who is clearly better than Scat Daddy, right.....

Comon, put your money where your mouth is, DaHoss....that is the ultimate sign of knowing what you are doing or not....Can you baack your horse racing knowledge and intuitrion with cash?...How much faith do you have in yourself about your evaluations of horses in this game?..Don't let yourself down...prove you know what you are talking about....

Oh, and whe you win (haha), I'll neeed to know who to make the check out to because I don't think your bank will cash a check made out to DaHoss

Joel, put me down for 1 grand. I want that bet, do you?

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel, put me down for 1 grand. I want that bet, do you?

I'll take the $100 bet too. CQ vs. Scat Daddy in the BCJ

Originally Posted by moodwalker

I'll take the $100 bet too. CQ vs. Scat Daddy in the BCJ

Its hysterical, Joel assures us who is more talented and the one he knocks blows by the other one as if he isnt even there. then he explains the other one is better. This guy is hysterical.

[ArlJim78]

Joel, please put me down also for $100 on that bet. If they both go to the post in the BCJ, I'll take CQ to beat SD.

easy money.

personally i have some doubts that Scat Daddy makes it to the starting gate.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Joel, please put me down also for $100 on that bet. If they both go to the post in the BCJ, I'll take CQ to beat SD.

easy money.

personally i have some doubts that Scat Daddy makes it to the starting gate.

he won't take the bets. Doesn't have the balls.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by oracle80

he won't take the bets. Doesn't have the balls.

You coming to belmont. If so, how about a real bet? I will take Showing Up and you can take any other horse in the Man O War. Whoever finishes ahead of the other wins. How about your star Kip Deville?

Don't like that one, I will take Tiz Wonderful against Circular Quay when they meet. CQ is not going to the champagne, although you probably already knew that, so I guess the BCJ might me their first meeting. Any day.

Got the balls?

[Danzig]

all this talk of balls, this isn't a bowling board!!! good lord.

could you guys quit turning EVERYTHING into a pi$$ing match?!

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Joel, please put me down also for $100 on that bet. If they both go to the post in the BCJ, I'll take CQ to beat SD.

easy money.

personally i have some doubts that Scat Daddy makes it to the starting gate.

OK, thats two players now....if you agree to set up a money order deal with a third party person I'll do it....Byk will probably be a good candidate to hold the money...

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

OK, thats two players now....if you agree to set up a money order deal with a third party person I'll do it....Byk will probably be a good candidate to hold the money...

sorry, don't see the need to drag a third party into this silly stuff. Steve has enough to do. What happened to the honor system? If these two both end up entered in the race we'll confirm it at that time.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

sorry, don't see the need to drag a third party into this silly stuff. Steve has enough to do. What happened to the honor system? If these two both end up entered in the race we'll confirm it at that time.

There is no such thing in this business.....ask Petino about Zito, any pinhookers about O'Byrne, Satish Sanan about Lukas and Baffert, Fipke about Baffert, Jess Jackson about Headley.....get my drift?..Or would you like me to keep going?

I may work something out with you, but scumbag agents are the dirtiest players in our game and I won't wager that highly with people of that character level....remember, I am from New Orleans - not the back of a bus...

Originally Posted by moodwalker

I'll take the $100 bet too. CQ vs. Scat Daddy in the BCJ

Gotcha...we just need to find a way to get money orders to a nuetral, trust-worthy third-party person before the race....that is the only way I'll do the deal...So, whatcha think?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel, put me down for 1 grand. I want that bet, do you?

If I thought you were good pay I'd take it, but I've heard of your reputation....no thanks...Unless, you get a money order and send it to Byk and I'll do the same and we can do the deal.....I'll do that to prove you're an idiot....

You must think your boy Pletcher is an idiot then too because he also believes Scat Daddy is his best 2-year-old he has in the barn....has said it on many occasions to many people....but what does he know, right?

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

If I thought you were good pay I'd take it, but I've heard of your reputation....no thanks...Unless, you get a money order and send it to Byk and I'll do the same and we can do the deal.....I'll do that to prove you're an idiot....

You must think your boy Pletcher is an idiot then too because he also believes Scat Daddy is his best 2-year-old he has in the barn....has said it on many occasions to many people....but what does he know, right?

Hey Sunny Boy,
Your reputation is the one in question.
Besides, did you actually CRY when you got he axe at cd? Thats what I was told.

Joel,
I know it must be tough getting humiliated and all after months of arrogantly telling us which one of the two was better, but its amazing to me that you cant just ever look at a race and not make up some whiny ass excuse why your horse got crushed. Its incredible, your horse gets blown by like hes dragging cement blocks from his ankles and somehow you try and spin it in the direction of the BC, blah blah blah.
YOU can't watch races kid, you rely on 2nd and 3rd hand info and then try to pass it off as if it were your own. And you don't even get that right most of the time. This really isn't your game.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

You must think your boy Pletcher is an idiot then too because he also believes Scat Daddy is his best 2-year-old he has in the barn....has said it on many occasions to many people....but what does he know, right?

Wrong once again. Here is Pletchers's quote from BH yesterday;

"I think this puts both horses right at the top of the class," Pletcher continued. "I thought Scat Daddy, considering everything, was the one horse that finished up well out of the speed duel. Circular Quay... is the divisional leader at this stage."

Doesn't sound to me like he was making it real clear that Scat Daddy is the best in the barn. If he considers CQ the divisional leader I believe that covers everyone in his barn.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Wrong once again. Here is Pletchers's quote from BH yesterday;

"I think this puts both horses right at the top of the class," Pletcher continued. "I thought Scat Daddy, considering everything, was the one horse that finished up well out of the speed duel. Circular Quay... is the divisional leader at this stage."

Doesn't sound to me like he was making it real clear that Scat Daddy is the best in the barn. If he considers CQ the divisional leader I believe that covers everyone in his barn.

Arl Jim,
Horses are gauged on their race track performances. They aren't gauged on their morning drills or trainer opinions. WIth CQ's win being so decisive even if Todd feels that the other one is better, hes smart enough to know that the on track battle declared the leader.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Arl Jim,
Horses are gauged on their race track performances. They aren't gauged on their morning drills or trainer opinions. WIth CQ's win being so decisive even if Todd feels that the other one is better, hes smart enough to know that the on track battle declared the leader.

good point, he may have early on thought Scat Daddy was better, but i have to believe he is really loving how CQ runs in the afternoons!

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Exactly. See that's what is funny about this whole ordeal. The FACT is CQ soundly defeated Scat Daddy, and the rest of the Hopeful field. Every can have opinions, or write essays after the race explaining why a horse they touted for two months was defeated. But when you throw those crazy things called facts in, well how can you still argue the point?

I agree and was stunned when I came in last night and read this thread. I mean if a horse wins due to a perfect trip while another has an extremely bad one I can understand someone saying my horse was better. I do it myself.
But this race, while not a "bernadini" win, was very very sound in showing who is the goods.
Granted deciding that he didn't wanna run early helped him rally into the duel, but lost in this was Gomez overreacting and yanking the right rein so hard as the approached the stretch that the horse went sideways and lost momentum and to reaccelerate. What happened was that Gomez had never ridden him before and appeared to be taken by surprise when the horse decided it was time to go. Gomez had been saving ground while trailing(the smart move) and although he hadn't asked the horse to run yet, the horse decided that he wanted to go and began to close into the pack incredibly quick. He went from 15 back to 6 back in a matter of yards and gomez was so taken by surprise that I think he actually feared running into the back of the horses he was gaining on. He yanked very hard on the right rein and you can see the horse's head go completely sideways and he lost momentum. He had to get rolling again and still blew them away easily.
I really can't see how any rational person could have seen that race and decide that anyone was tons the best other than the winner.
What someone told you about who was better months ago is of no relevance when you see an effort like that.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I liked the way Gomez schooled the other jocks in the race.

Hey Oracle, Now that the meet is over and people have had a better chance to watch Gomez, what is everyone saying about him now? I bet people think he's pretty good.