"His mother-in-law is dying right now".. "I'm almost done."

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I agree with Dell. Cops, especially young cops love to show you who is the boss. Hell new security guards at the track love to break chops.

And Lori you know that racism isn't going to be "solved" by a black president or anyone . It cant be solved. Racism exists in every society throughout the world. Ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe, the same in africa, Asia, etc.

And this was hardly a case of racial profiling, the guy ran a red light and didn't stop when the police came after him. While the cop was extraordinarily insensitive afterwards, it is hard to say that this was racially motivated.

I know that racism isnt going to be solved by a black president, and thats not what I meant to say.. I just hope that somehow there could be rules prohibiting racial profiling with cops so that it wont be accepted anymore. But I dont know if that could happen.

And I very much disagree with your that this isnt a case of racial profiling. He may have not initially been pulled over because of his skin color but what happened after was.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know that racism isnt going to be solved by a black president, and thats not what I meant to say.. I just hope that somehow there could be rules prohibiting racial profiling with cops so that it wont be accepted anymore. But I dont know if that could happen.

And I very much disagree with your that this isnt a case of racial profiling. He may have not initially been pulled over because of his skin color but what happened after was.

And you are judging in a racist manner by saying that he is racist. You are judging the cop on a certain standard simply because he is white. As I said before you can be a bad cop, bad person or just a total jackoff and not be racist. It IS racist to assume that the cop's actions were motivated by race with no other evidence to back that up.

And while I am sure that there are already rules concerning racial profiling those are the kinds of things that actually wind up helping the defense lawyers of bad guys get off rather than really stopping the abuse. You cant legislate morality. Racism sucks but making issues of race in every black/white encounter doesnt help.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And you are judging in a racist manner by saying that he is racist. You are judging the cop on a certain standard simply because he is white. As I said before you can be a bad cop, bad person or just a total jackoff and not be racist. It IS racist to assume that the cop's actions were motivated by race with no other evidence to back that up.

And while I am sure that there are already rules concerning racial profiling those are the kinds of things that actually wind up helping the defense lawyers of bad guys get off rather than really stopping the abuse. You cant legislate morality. Racism sucks but making issues of race in every black/white encounter doesnt help.

O.K., I will give you a situation that took place about 15 years ago. I had this Red Dodge Stealth(engine blew about 3 years later...notice how you don't see many anymore?) This Black dude wanted to drive it on the way back from somewhere. So, I sat in the passenger seat. We were almost home when a cop passed us going the opposite direction. So, we parked in the driveway. The cop drives up, and he gets out. He asked me "Is that your car?" I said "yes," and the cop got back in his car. Then, he just drove away. I think they would usually say "You 2 fit a description blah, blah, blah," but maybe he was in a hurry.

[DerbyCat]

Scuds, your story hits home - there isn't a cop on the street that doesn't *profile*, although it's not as racist as civilians make it out to be, I think it really is more socio-economic (and there are more poor minorities in big cities)... when I was going through FTO (field training) with the San Jose PD, I drove past a hispanic guy straddling a bike and talking with a guy who was drinking a beer in the driveway of the guys house (or so I assumed). My Training Officer asked me, "don't you think you should stop and talk to those guys?" I asked, "why should I?" His reply was, "a grown man wearing anything other that those silly tight riding shorts and riding an expensive bike is only riding a bike because he doesn't have a license. His license was probably suspended, maybe for a drug violation or maybe he has a warrant. Your PC (probable cause) for the stop is the guy drinking the beer in public." My reply to him was, "So, based on your logic, a cop would have reasonable cause to question my father who lives in Los Altos (an upper-middle class town in the Bay Area) for drinking a glass of wine in his yard while he was talking to the neighbor who was on his oldest son's bike because he was testing it out after repairing the chain." My T.O.'s reply was, "only if your Dad looks like a dirtbag."

Another time I stopped a black guy who was driving through a hispanic neighborhood known for drug sales. I never saw him stop or talk with anyone, he was just driving through in the middle of the day. My PC for the stop? Faded month tab on his license plate. I walked up to his car, explained my reason for the stop, explained that the neighborhood was known for drug activity and asked if I could search his car. He said he appreciated my polite request but he'd had enough cops search his car and they always tore it up and never found anything, so he was saying "no" to my request. I told him that without his approval (and without seeing anything illegal in plain sight in his car) I couldn't search his vehicle. I was back at my patrol writing a fix-it-ticket when a senior officer at the scene decided he didn't need permission so he walked up to the guy and told him, "I'm searching your car, move out of my way" and proceeded to trash the car - Result: no drugs found. Black guy drives away with a ticket and a messed up car, but he never complained to HQ, must have just figured it was a price for being "black in America".

These are just a few of the reasons why I'm no longer a cop.

[alysheba4]

Uncle

[MaTH716]

The officer resigned.

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[ninetoone]

I love happy endings.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by DerbyCat

Another time I stopped a black guy who was driving through a hispanic neighborhood known for drug sales. I never saw him stop or talk with anyone, he was just driving through in the middle of the day. My PC for the stop? Faded month tab on his license plate. I walked up to his car, explained my reason for the stop, explained that the neighborhood was known for drug activity and asked if I could search his car. He said he appreciated my polite request but he'd had enough cops search his car and they always tore it up and never found anything, so he was saying "no" to my request. I told him that without his approval (and without seeing anything illegal in plain sight in his car) I couldn't search his vehicle. I was back at my patrol writing a fix-it-ticket when a senior officer at the scene decided he didn't need permission so he walked up to the guy and told him, "I'm searching your car, move out of my way" and proceeded to trash the car - Result: no drugs found. Black guy drives away with a ticket and a messed up car, but he never complained to HQ, must have just figured it was a price for being "black in America".

These are just a few of the reasons why I'm no longer a cop.

I've been pulled over (twice) because my name ends in a vowel
yes, they asked to search
it was 3 am
and I didn't have a gun so I said yes to the search
man... he looked twice at everything and said things like, "that's a funny place for a gas tank"

WTF

I kept waiting for him to reach in his pocket and pull out a packet of powder and claim to find it.

That actually happened and the cop got busted. the kid was the son of some cop in another town

ooops

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I've been pulled over (twice) because my name ends in a vowel
yes, they asked to search
it was 3 am
and I didn't have a gun so I said yes to the search
man... he looked twice at everything and said things like, "that's a funny place for a gas tank"

WTF

I kept waiting for him to reach in his pocket and pull out a packet of powder and claim to find it.

That actually happened and the cop got busted. the kid was the son of some cop in another town

ooops

Jesus, where do you live? Hazzard County .

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Jesus, where do you live? Hazzard County .

I was leaving Chicago headed home on 116

it makes perfect sense
really
it does

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I've been pulled over (twice) because my name ends in a vowel
yes, they asked to search
it was 3 am
and I didn't have a gun so I said yes to the search
man... he looked twice at everything and said things like, "that's a funny place for a gas tank"

WTF

I kept waiting for him to reach in his pocket and pull out a packet of powder and claim to find it.

That actually happened and the cop got busted. the kid was the son of some cop in another town

ooops

I can give you a couple towns near Chicago where the cops will let you slide BECAUSE your name ends in a vowel as long as it's not one of those Mexicani names. Another hint I got a long time ago from a cop was if you don't want to be pulled over DON'T wear a baseball hat (especially backwards), have anything hanging from the mirror, be out driving after 1am or have bumper stickers UNLESS they say Child on Board or My Kid is a Honor Student at .....

There are ways to stealth your profile.

Gives me an idea for the 'Ole white lady' driver's mask to be selliing soon in a liquor store/head shop near you.

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I've been pulled over (twice) because my name ends in a vowel
yes, they asked to search
it was 3 am
and I didn't have a gun so I said yes to the search
man... he looked twice at everything and said things like, "that's a funny place for a gas tank"

WTF

I kept waiting for him to reach in his pocket and pull out a packet of powder and claim to find it.

That actually happened and the cop got busted. the kid was the son of some cop in another town



ooops

1. How in the hell would the police know your name ends in a vowel without stopping you? Is your name stenciled under your zodiac sign in the rear window?

2. I just rechecked the dictionary just to be sure. "Retard" does not end in a vowel.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by satan's twin

1. How in the hell would the police know your name ends in a vowel without stopping you? Is your name stenciled under your zodiac sign in the rear window?

2. I just rechecked the dictionary just to be sure. "Retard" does not end in a vowel.

1. It's pretty simple. he sits behind and runs the plate.

2. I expect an apology.