"His mother-in-law is dying right now".. "I'm almost done."

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

As someone who's thankful that I am formerly a Dallasite, this is an absolutely terrible story. The video is incredibly troublesome as there is really no explanation for that behavior, especially with Moats pleading with him for quite some time.

A little something else about Dallas- the city has a long history of racism. Politically it has been a problem for quite some time and suburbs like Plano have been hotbeds for even longer.

No winners in this situation.

NT

unfortunately, cops are terrible all across the country. Racial profiling is just so disgusting. Its real bad in the south.

I cant believe that some people dont believe it happens, but blacks and whites are just not equal in the minds of lots of power abusing cops. Eric Holder was very correct with his statement a month ago.. eventhough he got crap over it.

I've been really hoping that this is one thing Obama can "Change". Though I dont know if anyone can change it until some generations pass by.

Maybe one day we'll all be one big happy family like its supposed to be. I can always dream!

This is a very sick and sad story.

[dellinger63]

I must admit it is a bad situation but I think a white man woud have received the same treatment. Hint don't tell a cop you have no insurance and give him a license when asked. I did not see a gun come out.

Chicago cops beat a guy in a wheel chair, in a hospital, that was far worse. And if this did happen in Chicago I think everyone including mother-in-law would be face down on the concrete at the hospital at gun point. That said I know for a fact if you're black and coming to visit me you are likely to be pulled over or at least followed by 3 different police agencies the worst being a 5-man force bordering WI. That is sickening. The Dallas situation is dfferent as the SUV was tinted and the truck was pulled over for the red light infraction not because of the skin color of the occupants. There are far better examples of police racism and abuse IMO.

[Cannon Shell]

I agree with Dell. Cops, especially young cops love to show you who is the boss. Hell new security guards at the track love to break chops.

And Lori you know that racism isn't going to be "solved" by a black president or anyone . It cant be solved. Racism exists in every society throughout the world. Ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe, the same in africa, Asia, etc.

And this was hardly a case of racial profiling, the guy ran a red light and didn't stop when the police came after him. While the cop was extraordinarily insensitive afterwards, it is hard to say that this was racially motivated.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And this was hardly a case of racial profiling, the guy ran a red light and didn't stop when the police came after him. While the cop was extraordinarily insensitive afterwards, it is hard to say that this was racially motivated.

The car had it's hazards flashing.. Paused at the empty intersection before going through.. Drove quickly but not recklessly to the ER driveway at Baylor.. Two women run inside the hospital distraught.. And the dipstick badge can't comprehend the situation.. despite being told what's happening..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The car had it's hazards flashing.. Paused at the empty intersection before going through.. Drove quickly but not recklessly to the ER driveway at Baylor.. Two women run inside the hospital distraught.. And the dipstick badge can't comprehend the situation.. despite being told what's happening..

But making him a racist without any real evidence other than an assumption of guilt because he is white and the guy is black is wrong too. We cant just assume that every white assh ole is a racist when dealing with non white people. That is as much racial profiling as the other way. Bad guys can be bad guys without being racist. This should be a case about police using poor judgement and being extremely insensitive to a private citizens concerns, not racism unless the cop has some baggage.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But making him a racist without any real evidence other than an assumption of guilt because he is white and the guy is black is wrong too. We cant just assume that every white assh ole is a racist when dealing with non white people. That is as much racial profiling as the other way. Bad guys can be bad guys without being racist. This should be a case about police using poor judgement and being extremely insensitive to a private citizens concerns, not racism unless the cop has some baggage.

I agree. Shift the claim of racist to simple bully or persecution-complexed sadist.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But making him a racist without any real evidence other than an assumption of guilt because he is white and the guy is black is wrong too. We cant just assume that every white assh ole is a racist when dealing with non white people. That is as much racial profiling as the other way. Bad guys can be bad guys without being racist. This should be a case about police using poor judgement and being extremely insensitive to a private citizens concerns, not racism unless the cop has some baggage.

i feel this statement is just completely off base.

[Scav]

As long as you tell the cop to stop being a tough guy and to relax, everything should be all good

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i feel this statement is just completely off base.

Your assumption of him being racist solely because he is white and the football player is black is a version of racism.

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The car had it's hazards flashing.. Paused at the empty intersection before going through.. Drove quickly but not recklessly to the ER driveway at Baylor.. Two women run inside the hospital distraught.. And the dipstick badge can't comprehend the situation.. despite being told what's happening..

That's right, which the freakin cop could clearly see and which Moats was trying to explain, but this jag-off cop would not even listen!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I agree with Dell. Cops, especially young cops love to show you who is the boss. Hell new security guards at the track love to break chops.

And Lori you know that racism isn't going to be "solved" by a black president or anyone . It cant be solved. Racism exists in every society throughout the world. Ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe, the same in africa, Asia, etc.

And this was hardly a case of racial profiling, the guy ran a red light and didn't stop when the police came after him. While the cop was extraordinarily insensitive afterwards, it is hard to say that this was racially motivated.

I know that racism isnt going to be solved by a black president, and thats not what I meant to say.. I just hope that somehow there could be rules prohibiting racial profiling with cops so that it wont be accepted anymore. But I dont know if that could happen.

And I very much disagree with your that this isnt a case of racial profiling. He may have not initially been pulled over because of his skin color but what happened after was.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know that racism isnt going to be solved by a black president, and thats not what I meant to say.. I just hope that somehow there could be rules prohibiting racial profiling with cops so that it wont be accepted anymore. But I dont know if that could happen.

And I very much disagree with your that this isnt a case of racial profiling. He may have not initially been pulled over because of his skin color but what happened after was.

And you are judging in a racist manner by saying that he is racist. You are judging the cop on a certain standard simply because he is white. As I said before you can be a bad cop, bad person or just a total jackoff and not be racist. It IS racist to assume that the cop's actions were motivated by race with no other evidence to back that up.

And while I am sure that there are already rules concerning racial profiling those are the kinds of things that actually wind up helping the defense lawyers of bad guys get off rather than really stopping the abuse. You cant legislate morality. Racism sucks but making issues of race in every black/white encounter doesnt help.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And you are judging in a racist manner by saying that he is racist. You are judging the cop on a certain standard simply because he is white. As I said before you can be a bad cop, bad person or just a total jackoff and not be racist. It IS racist to assume that the cop's actions were motivated by race with no other evidence to back that up.

And while I am sure that there are already rules concerning racial profiling those are the kinds of things that actually wind up helping the defense lawyers of bad guys get off rather than really stopping the abuse. You cant legislate morality. Racism sucks but making issues of race in every black/white encounter doesnt help.

O.K., I will give you a situation that took place about 15 years ago. I had this Red Dodge Stealth(engine blew about 3 years later...notice how you don't see many anymore?) This Black dude wanted to drive it on the way back from somewhere. So, I sat in the passenger seat. We were almost home when a cop passed us going the opposite direction. So, we parked in the driveway. The cop drives up, and he gets out. He asked me "Is that your car?" I said "yes," and the cop got back in his car. Then, he just drove away. I think they would usually say "You 2 fit a description blah, blah, blah," but maybe he was in a hurry.

[DerbyCat]

Scuds, your story hits home - there isn't a cop on the street that doesn't *profile*, although it's not as racist as civilians make it out to be, I think it really is more socio-economic (and there are more poor minorities in big cities)... when I was going through FTO (field training) with the San Jose PD, I drove past a hispanic guy straddling a bike and talking with a guy who was drinking a beer in the driveway of the guys house (or so I assumed). My Training Officer asked me, "don't you think you should stop and talk to those guys?" I asked, "why should I?" His reply was, "a grown man wearing anything other that those silly tight riding shorts and riding an expensive bike is only riding a bike because he doesn't have a license. His license was probably suspended, maybe for a drug violation or maybe he has a warrant. Your PC (probable cause) for the stop is the guy drinking the beer in public." My reply to him was, "So, based on your logic, a cop would have reasonable cause to question my father who lives in Los Altos (an upper-middle class town in the Bay Area) for drinking a glass of wine in his yard while he was talking to the neighbor who was on his oldest son's bike because he was testing it out after repairing the chain." My T.O.'s reply was, "only if your Dad looks like a dirtbag."

Another time I stopped a black guy who was driving through a hispanic neighborhood known for drug sales. I never saw him stop or talk with anyone, he was just driving through in the middle of the day. My PC for the stop? Faded month tab on his license plate. I walked up to his car, explained my reason for the stop, explained that the neighborhood was known for drug activity and asked if I could search his car. He said he appreciated my polite request but he'd had enough cops search his car and they always tore it up and never found anything, so he was saying "no" to my request. I told him that without his approval (and without seeing anything illegal in plain sight in his car) I couldn't search his vehicle. I was back at my patrol writing a fix-it-ticket when a senior officer at the scene decided he didn't need permission so he walked up to the guy and told him, "I'm searching your car, move out of my way" and proceeded to trash the car - Result: no drugs found. Black guy drives away with a ticket and a messed up car, but he never complained to HQ, must have just figured it was a price for being "black in America".

These are just a few of the reasons why I'm no longer a cop.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I must admit it is a bad situation but I think a white man woud have received the same treatment. Hint don't tell a cop you have no insurance and give him a license when asked. I did not see a gun come out..

No.. No they wouldn't. A white man gets out of that SUV and says what Moats said, that my mother in law is dying, and the cop hustles him inside and worries about the traffic infraction... done at an empty intersection... later.

And the gun came out as acknowledged by the officer himself.

Moats was as polite as can be. You couldn't hear the "yes sirs" and "no sirs" as this surly punk cop was dressing him down? The translation of that is "Yes massah" and "No massah"..

Rationalize it all you want. This was a brazen abuse of authority and came within inches of a hate crime had the cop further misread the situation. This kid should be sitting at a desk the rest of his civil service career.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

No.. No they wouldn't. A white man gets out of that SUV and says what Moats said, that my mother in law is dying, and the cop hustles him inside and worries about the traffic infraction... done at an empty intersection... later.

And the gun came out as acknowledged by the officer himself.

Moats was as polite as can be. You couldn't hear the "yes sirs" and "no sirs" as this surly punk cop was dressing him down? The translation of that is "Yes massah" and "No massah"..

Rationalize it all you want. This was a brazen abuse of authority and came within inches of a hate crime had the cop further misread the situation. This kid should be sitting at a desk the rest of his civil service career.

Steve I have white friends that have had thier asses kicked by young cops for less than this guy did in Saratoga no less.. Personally I have been treated in a similar fashion in Louisville. I am not defending the cop in any way but just saying that a lot of 25 year old cops act in this manner.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Steve I have white friends that have had thier asses kicked by young cops for less than this guy did in Saratoga no less.. Personally I have been treated in a similar fashion in Louisville. I am not defending the cop in any way but just saying that a lot of 25 year old cops act in this manner.

I've been bullied by cops as well. Police work is a thankless, dangerous job.. look at the horrific tragedy in Oakland... But common sense, decision making ability and compassion are supposed to be watch words of police duty. "To protect and serve" after all. If this kid can't figure out the scenario involved in people rushing to a hospital, how is he going to act in a truly threatening situation under duress? Based on his reaction in this low risk incident, he's a hazard to the public... be they white or black. And the DPD or any PD should be doing all they can to eliminate bullies and sadists from their forces. And I certainly agree that Saratoga-sized city cops and County Mountie types are as bad or worse with this problem as big city badges.

[dellinger63]

Steve, I was driving back from a case we were following at 26th and Cal. As I headed back towards the beautiful Dan Ryan I was pulled over for no apparant reason and then boxed in by a Det car. As I opened the door I was pulled out and put face down in the dirt w/a knee on my back and gun at my head. My infraction? Driving a vehicle w/tinted windows that matched a car used in a drive-by. Many other instances have happened to me while on surveillance and small town/suburb cops have the attitude they own the street and we have no right to be there. I think it's more of a police power trip than racism cause although I tan pretty well I'm still a cracker.

PS a gun definately should not have been pulled.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Kasept

No.. No they wouldn't. A white man gets out of that SUV and says what Moats said, that my mother in law is dying, and the cop hustles him inside and worries about the traffic infraction... done at an empty intersection... later.

And the gun came out as acknowledged by the officer himself.

Moats was as polite as can be. You couldn't hear the "yes sirs" and "no sirs" as this surly punk cop was dressing him down? The translation of that is "Yes massah" and "No massah"..

Rationalize it all you want. This was a brazen abuse of authority and came within inches of a hate crime had the cop further misread the situation. This kid should be sitting at a desk the rest of his civil service career.

[Danzig]

i agree with moats, the cop should lose his job over this. absolutely disgusting display of arrogance by the dallas policeman.