Kip Deville to IEAH

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

This is my last post on this topic, since you obviously didn't read my previous ones. I don't know what ANYONE said because I wasn't personally there. I do know this... Saint Liam could have been the most perfectly bred horse on the track and not won a thing. There have been PLENTY of cases such as that, but instead, he WON and THAT is what made him a great horse. NOT his bloodlines. As for Kip, I won't judge him until I see him race some good races.

You made my point. Nobody would judge him until he does something. Putting him in the category with St. Liam is something nobody would do off his average race career and average breeding.

Originally Posted by Exceller

You made my point. Nobody would judge him until he does something. Putting him in the category with St. Liam is something nobody would do off his average race career and average breeding.

Performance makes racehorses, not breeding. But your other point is completely valid about having to do something before he is compared to anyone, lol.
Question about breeding. I saw a lot syndicates and ownesr spend a lot of cash last year on expensive horses with "great pedigrees". IEAH and partners bought a "lowly" daughter of Real Quiet out of a WIld Zone mare who has won a grade 2, placed in 2 other grade 2's, and was 4th in the Oaks.
How do you explain this if pedigree is such a determinant factor.
P.S. They are already "out" on the purchase and andything else she does on the track is gravy, to go along with the broodmare value that a grade two winner has. Looks like "the snakeoil" salesman did a lot of good by himself and his people with that one.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Performance makes racehorses, not breeding. But your other point is completely valid about having to do something before he is compared to anyone, lol.
Question about breeding. I saw a lot syndicates and ownesr spend a lot of cash last year on expensive horses with "great pedigrees". IEAH and partners bought a "lowly" daughter of Real Quiet out of a WIld Zone mare who has won a grade 2, placed in 2 other grade 2's, and was 4th in the Oaks.
How do you explain this if pedigree is such a determinant factor.
P.S. They are already "out" on the purchase and andything else she does on the track is gravy, to go along with the broodmare value that a grade two winner has. Looks like "the snakeoil" salesman did a lot of good by himself and his people with that one.

Real Quiet nearly won the triple crown. KD is out of who? Also fillies are a completely different story. They will always have value for breeding purposes.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Real Quiet nearly won the triple crown. KD is out of who?

You avoided the question. At the the time real Quiet had not sired anything, and had been given up on and sent to Pennsylvania. He was considered a total bust. But a sharp guy saw one he thought could really run, and would stretch out later in the year.................... She cost 8 grand at auction to the original owner. Ive seen her finish ahead of a lotta high 6 figure and 7 figure purchases.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You avoided the question. At the the time real Quiet had not sired anything, and had been given up on and sent to Pennsylvania. He was considered a total bust. But a sharp guy saw one he thought could really run, and would stretch out later in the year.................... She cost 8 grand at auction to the original owner. Ive seen her finish ahead of a lotta high 6 figure and 7 figure purchases.

That is a good buy but the horse is still out of a KD Winner. There are tons of low priced horses that turn out great but you can look at their breeding an explain it. No horse with KD breeding will ever be Horse of the Year caliber. I just won't happen.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

That is a good buy but the horse is still out of a KD Winner. There are tons of low priced horses that turn out great but you can look at their breeding an explain it. No horse with KD breeding will ever be Horse of the Year caliber. I just won't happen.

Let's get another thing straight...

Kip Deville is by Kipling who is by Gulch and out of a Storm Bird mare. You've never heard of those horses before?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Let's get another thing straight...

Kip Deville is by Kipling who is by Gulch and out of a Storm Bird mare. You've never heard of those horses before?

LOL!!!! Thats whats funny, if you go far enough back in any tbred they are ALL well bred. besides, who cares about breeding once they show you they are fast and have heart. I couldnt care less about who they are by once they show me what they can do.