Brother Derek is a fraud...

[Nostradamus]

Oracle, you are very knowledgable, maybe more than anyone else here, but the personal attacks on Cunningham and his father are uncalled for. Saying a horse is a fraud (overrated) is not an attack. It is just saying the horse is not what people say he is. There are tons of horses like this. My brother has called Sunriver a fraud all year, and he likes the owners. That doesn't mean it is personal.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Oracle, you are very knowledgable, maybe more than anyone else here, but the personal attacks on Cunningham and his father are uncalled for. Saying a horse is a fraud (overrated) is not an attack. It is just saying the horse is not what people say he is. There are tons of horses like this. My brother has called Sunriver a fraud all year, and he likes the owners. That doesn't mean it is personal.

Nor was my attack against Joel. And I'm not attacking his father in any way shape or form. he made what i felt was a moronic statement, I've treated my own friend Gander the same way on here. My attack was not personal, he did try to get personal then bashing a horse hes knows I bought. Are you that stupid Nostra to miss that?
read what others wrote on the thread, You act as if I was the only one picking on him. Others abused him as well. WHy not post something to them?

[alysheba4]

yeah, oracle goes at gander HARD

I've called Lava Man a fraud and I regret doing so. A horse cannot be a fraud because they don't have the capacity to deceive someone out of money. I am retracting what I said and will now say that Lava Man is overrated and I apologize to all of the Lava Man fans who I offended.

Now Joel should do the same to JJ since the guy promoted Brother Derek and was extremely confident in him winning the Kentucky Derby and even touted him for the Preakness. In no way shape or form is JJ Graci a fraud and neither is Brother Derek.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I've called Lava Man a fraud and I regret doing so. A horse cannot be a fraud because they don't have the capacity to deceive someone out of money. I am retracting what I said and will now say that Lava Man is overrated and I apologize to all of the Lava Man fans who I offended.

Now Joel should do the same to JJ since the guy promoted Brother Derek and was extremely confident in him winning the Kentucky Derby and even touted him for the Preakness. In no way shape or form is JJ Graci a fraud and neither is Brother Derek.

JJ Graci went on the air and talked about Barbaro being dead. The guy has no credibility.

[2Hot4TV]

Brother Derek was the best horse that the West coast had going to the Kentucky Derby from a group that looked to be talented and improving. The group didn't improve and to compare this group to a horse (Bernardini) that sat on the side line during the run for the roses is simply not fair. Bother Derek will improve as he gets older and he will turn out to be another Precisionist racing on the West Coast and I wish his connections all the good luck.

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Brother Derek was the best horse that the West coast had going to the Kentucky Derby from a group that looked to be talented and improving. The group didn't improve and to compare this group to a horse (Bernardini) that sat on the side line during the run for the roses is simply not fair. Bother Derek will improve as he gets older and he will turn out to be another Precisionist racing on the West Coast and I wish his connections all the good luck.

I wish Brother Derek nothing but good luck; he is a game, talented horse. I do not agree with you about Bernardini; illness delayed his quest for the TC jewels. He ran a huge Preakness and he has been delivering ever since. He is a brilliant animal who is good for the game.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

I wish Brother Derek nothing but good luck; he is a game, talented horse. I do not agree with you about Bernardini; illness delayed his quest for the TC jewels. He ran a huge Preakness and he has been delivering ever since. He is a brilliant animal who is good for the game.

He is where the bar has been set from most of us. The only true wyt to compare a group of horses is to race them. When BD won the Santa Anita Derby I don't think there was a horse in America that was going to beat him at home and that includes Barbaro. When Barbaro won the Kentucky Derby there wasn't a horse in the world that was going to compete with him that day and if he had stayed healthy Bernardini would of had the taste of defeat. Just the way I see it.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Nor was my attack against Joel. And I'm not attacking his father in any way shape or form. he made what i felt was a moronic statement, I've treated my own friend Gander the same way on here. My attack was not personal, he did try to get personal then bashing a horse hes knows I bought. Are you that stupid Nostra to miss that?
read what others wrote on the thread, You act as if I was the only one picking on him. Others abused him as well. WHy not post something to them?

I am not that stupid, and I am very impressed by your purchase of a grade 1 horse, but you always bring up his money and his father's money. The sport is full of rich people. Is Landson IV going to get bashed because Lansdon III is loaded? Others bash him, sometimes I do, but never his families money. There would be no horse racing without rich people and their children.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Oracle, you are very knowledgable, maybe more than anyone else here, but the personal attacks on Cunningham and his father are uncalled for. Saying a horse is a fraud (overrated) is not an attack. It is just saying the horse is not what people say he is. There are tons of horses like this. My brother has called Sunriver a fraud all year, and he likes the owners. That doesn't mean it is personal.

Exactly......................

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Oracle, you are very knowledgable, maybe more than anyone else here, but the personal attacks on Cunningham and his father are uncalled for. Saying a horse is a fraud (overrated) is not an attack. It is just saying the horse is not what people say he is. There are tons of horses like this. My brother has called Sunriver a fraud all year, and he likes the owners. That doesn't mean it is personal.

i stand by what i said earlier in this thread ,his derby run with the **** post and horrible trip in the derby and still to place like he did shows a hell of alot . lets think if he had a better post . horrible trip in preak again. like oracle said-injurymaybe-or just plain worn out from the preps and tc-or rusty- but to use fraud after one race and even then after all his stake wins is crap. so all his wins were a fluke and should have lost and his good run in the derby was a fluke because the horse is not what people say he is? well what the heck is he allowance material, claimer? nobody out here is saying he's a great or super horse but a fraud. i know who the fraud is !!!!!!!!!!!