Dear Right...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wind farms have some of their own serious concerns regarding environmental impact (birds, bats, etc). Yes, I find them ugly, btw.

I agree, we need far less coal dependency. And the end result of nuclear power is steam.

And you agree that now is the time to start this process?

I mean before you said Obama was too busy with his job to do his job (you know actually read the budget and eliminate those pesky earmarks that he said he was going to)

But he isnt too busy to try to start projects that put a financial strain on the people of the country with no actual tangible benefits?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And you agree that now is the time to start this process?

I mean before you said Obama was too busy with his job to do his job (you know actually read the budget and eliminate those pesky earmarks that he said he was going to)

But he isnt too busy to try to start projects that put a financial strain on the people of the country with no actual tangible benefits?

Yes, because I think the premise of your last sentence is wrong.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, because I think the premise of your last sentence is wrong.

Yeah right. Right now in the middle of a giant recession where energy is available at extremely low prices which helps keep the recession from deepening we need to start this green ****. I'll take my chances that Al gore and the rest of th nuts are wrong since most of this bs wont have any tangible effect (if it really works) for 50 years.

and every person in the country can become MR and Mrs Green and we can all do every thing we could possible thing for the environment and it wont mean a damn thing when China doesnt give a **** and refused to change their policies. It wont help if everyone isnt doing it. It hasnt helped in europe. We have bigger issues right now.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah right. Right now in the middle of a giant recession where energy is available at extremely low prices which helps keep the recession from deepening we need to start this green ****. I'll take my chances that Al gore and the rest of th nuts are wrong since most of this bs wont have any tangible effect (if it really works) for 50 years.

and every person in the country can become MR and Mrs Green and we can all do every thing we could possible thing for the environment and it wont mean a damn thing when China doesnt give a **** and refused to change their policies. It wont help if everyone isnt doing it. It hasnt helped in europe. We have bigger issues right now.

If China does not change their ways it will present us with
the perfect example of what happens when industry runs
awry. They are basically poisoning themselves. Their life
expectancy has gone down and they are richer. Imagine that.

This is why Obama has stated he wants to do this now. It probably
would have gone better when gas was > 4.00 but it will eventually go
back. He believes this is the time to make the switch. Its a gamble.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If China does not change their ways it will present us with
the perfect example of what happens when industry runs
awry. They are basically poisoning themselves. Their life
expectancy has gone down and they are richer. Imagine that.

This is why Obama has stated he wants to do this now. It probably
would have gone better when gas was > 4.00 but it will eventually go
back. He believes this is the time to make the switch. Its a gamble.

it's not. he said other issues would be pushed to the back burner, that now was the time to put our focus on the economy. and creating more expense right now in energy is not a way to help our economy. people are finally getting a breather in that area (the one bright spot right now) and he wants to pull that rug out from under them? makes almost as much sense as choosing now to inform folks that medicare and medicaid are going to lose funding when more than ever need it, so that they can put that money towards a future attempt at universal health care.

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's not. he said other issues would be pushed to the back burner, that now was the time to put our focus on the economy. and creating more expense right now in energy is not a way to help our economy. people are finally getting a breather in that area (the one bright spot right now) and he wants to pull that rug out from under them? makes almost as much sense as choosing now to inform folks that medicare and medicaid are going to lose funding when more than ever need it, so that they can put that money towards a future attempt at universal health care.

He said that green (whatever that actually means) and the economy would go hand in hand.
Remember the insulating federal buildings etc... He stated it would create jobs now,
and be a benefit for the future.

[Danzig]

he's going to save the economy by adding insulation to federal buildings? lol no, i'm joking. i'm sure there's more to it then that. what i'm talking about tho are his suggestions at selling carbon-the cap and trade deal. it just seems the more he talks, the lower the dow goes, and the higher the unemployment. and the treasury dept is still understaffed. reminds me of when someone opens a restaurant-the food might be good, but you'll never know because the service is terrible.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He said that green (whatever that actually means) and the economy would go hand in hand.
Remember the insulating federal buildings etc... He stated it would create jobs now,
and be a benefit for the future.

It wont create as nearly many jobs as higher energy prices will eliminate. It will hurt the economy. This is like the first day of Economics 101.

Exactly how many jobs does a wind farm create anyway? I dont know much about them but I did see a report that 90% of alternate energy equipment is produced overseas.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If China does not change their ways it will present us with
the perfect example of what happens when industry runs
awry. They are basically poisoning themselves. Their life
expectancy has gone down and they are richer. Imagine that.

This is why Obama has stated he wants to do this now. It probably
would have gone better when gas was > 4.00 but it will eventually go
back. He believes this is the time to make the switch. Its a gamble.

China is not an example in any way shape or form for us. The differences are far too great but I can tell you that when their economy feels more pain they wont be implementing environmental programs. So all our attempts to stop or slow global warming are pretty moot anyway if the Chinese and other countires dont follow suit. Especially since there is no real live proof that the new policies will ever have any effect.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

China is not an example in any way shape or form for us.

Oh hell yes they are. They have poisoned their air and rivers.
They are carrying out an environmental experiment for us.
We can learn a heck of a lot when they attempt to correct
their problems. Some of their destruction will be long term.
Some will not. We should be on this studying this like flies on
horse sh it.

I am assuming that flies study horse crap.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh hell yes they are. They have poisoned their air and rivers.
They are carrying out an environmental experiment for us.
We can learn a heck of a lot when they attempt to correct
their problems. Some of their destruction will be long term.
Some will not. We should be on this studying this like flies on
horse sh it.

I am assuming that flies study horse crap.

Listen, despite the lies of the environmental lobby the environment in the US is far better than most nations and China is in a league of their own. It is like you telling your kids not to be mass murders when they grow up. Comparing us and them is stupid. Thinkng they will change is even stupider.

dont mean to get in the way fellas

the wall street journal and the economist
have really good stuff.

the economist has some very wide ranging
issues presented that tie a lot of stuff together.
wish it came out more often.

wall street journal does a cracker-jack job
of putting foreign affairs and business together.

actually Riot these two conservative posters
are not your social conservatives, they are
economic conservatives

Probably two of the few that realize their party
dies when they get off tangent on social issues.
Sad they need that base to pull off an election.

McCain was not rabid enough. He told a racist
hillbilly to shut up at a Rep pep rally and it was seen
as a mistake... go figure.