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Old 03-09-2009, 02:59 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tional-waters/

Maybe this is what Biden was talking about when he said Obama would be challenged within 6 months...

Sort of crazy, actually.
Thanks for the article.

That is the biggest frggn pontoon boat I have ever
seen. Dont dare ask about the fuel mileage on that baby.
What a cool vessel... I want one.
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Old 03-09-2009, 03:32 PM
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Thanks for the article.

That is the biggest frggn pontoon boat I have ever
seen. Dont dare ask about the fuel mileage on that baby.
What a cool vessel... I want one.
that's a surtass (surface towed array sonar ship) used in anti-submarine warfare. i was on board a much smaller version of the one pictured that was the prototype for this class of ship in the 90's.

the one I was on was a converted commercial oil drilling vessel. They used the well in the bottom of the ship to lower the towed array in the water. the one pictured has the obvious advantage of allowing the towed array to trail behind the ship without risking contact with the bottom of the ship itself.

the sonar on these light up everything. there is no hiding if you're a sub and one is in the area. this is also the sonar that environmental groups have complained is a whale killer.

i'd take the subtext of this story to be a chinese sub was in the area we wanted a close look at and the chinese didn't want us to see. i'd be intersted to know if they've launched a new class and we're doing due diligence.
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Old 03-09-2009, 03:50 PM
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that's a surtass (surface towed array sonar ship) used in anti-submarine warfare. i was on board a much smaller version of the one pictured that was the prototype for this class of ship in the 90's.

the one I was on was a converted commercial oil drilling vessel. They used the well in the bottom of the ship to lower the towed array in the water. the one pictured has the obvious advantage of allowing the towed array to trail behind the ship without risking contact with the bottom of the ship itself.

the sonar on these light up everything. there is no hiding if you're a sub and one is in the area. this is also the sonar that environmental groups have complained is a whale killer.

i'd take the subtext of this story to be a chinese sub was in the area we wanted a close look at and the chinese didn't want us to see. i'd be intersted to know if they've launched a new class and we're doing due diligence.
Cool.
Very cool.

I want one as a fish finder.

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Also neat insight.
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Old 03-09-2009, 04:35 PM
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that's a surtass (surface towed array sonar ship) used in anti-submarine warfare. i was on board a much smaller version of the one pictured that was the prototype for this class of ship in the 90's.

the one I was on was a converted commercial oil drilling vessel. They used the well in the bottom of the ship to lower the towed array in the water. the one pictured has the obvious advantage of allowing the towed array to trail behind the ship without risking contact with the bottom of the ship itself.

the sonar on these light up everything. there is no hiding if you're a sub and one is in the area. this is also the sonar that environmental groups have complained is a whale killer.

i'd take the subtext of this story to be a chinese sub was in the area we wanted a close look at and the chinese didn't want us to see. i'd be intersted to know if they've launched a new class and we're doing due diligence.

but i doubt they have anything that can compete with our sea wolf class-but you're right on, something was in the area that they don't want us checking out. that and the fact that they are sooo touchy about their space, and taiwan of course. it may be int'l waters, but it's their int'l waters-just ask them!
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Old 03-09-2009, 04:39 PM
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that's a surtass (surface towed array sonar ship) used in anti-submarine warfare. i was on board a much smaller version of the one pictured that was the prototype for this class of ship in the 90's.

the one I was on was a converted commercial oil drilling vessel. They used the well in the bottom of the ship to lower the towed array in the water. the one pictured has the obvious advantage of allowing the towed array to trail behind the ship without risking contact with the bottom of the ship itself.

the sonar on these light up everything. there is no hiding if you're a sub and one is in the area. this is also the sonar that environmental groups have complained is a whale killer.

i'd take the subtext of this story to be a chinese sub was in the area we wanted a close look at and the chinese didn't want us to see. i'd be intersted to know if they've launched a new class and we're doing due diligence.
So in the Navy, if you give out classified information
these days, do they make you walk the plank, or
just strap an anchor to an appendage...
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Old 03-09-2009, 04:59 PM
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So in the Navy, if you give out classified information
these days, do they make you walk the plank, or
just strap an anchor to an appendage...
the frequencies used and other technical aspects are classified but the existence of the program isn't. it's kind of hard to completely hide something that big. even in the 90's when some of the concept's being used were new, you'd be surprised what wasn't classified. i can tell you the towed array was liquid filled and didn't float. and that was brand new back then.

the retrofitted oil driller i was on was run by raytheon (big defense contractor). most of the time there was no one from the navy on board. you had a lot of ex-navy sonarmen hired by raytheon for the program. the concept was "proved" on the smaller ship and then raytheon received the contract to build the behemouth's pictured.
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Old 03-09-2009, 06:10 PM
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the frequencies used and other technical aspects are classified but the existence of the program isn't. it's kind of hard to completely hide something that big. even in the 90's when some of the concept's being used were new, you'd be surprised what wasn't classified. i can tell you the towed array was liquid filled and didn't float. and that was brand new back then.

the retrofitted oil driller i was on was run by raytheon (big defense contractor). most of the time there was no one from the navy on board. you had a lot of ex-navy sonarmen hired by raytheon for the program. the concept was "proved" on the smaller ship and then raytheon received the contract to build the behemouth's pictured.
I still want one.

Since they come with water hoses I will need
to know how much water they draw as I will commence
directing my hose spray at female beachgoers.
Preferably various Club Meds located at accessible
shore locations.

Chinese sailors...
they screwed up in a bad way.
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Old 03-09-2009, 06:25 PM
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Old 03-09-2009, 06:25 PM
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i just saw another pic-you can see a chinese guy on the bow of his smaller boat with a pole in the water (keep it clean guys) -ostensibly to snag the towed array. now, i don't know if that's true or not-i can't help but wonder how long that guy could have managed to hold on had he snagged it...

at any rate, perhaps an escort for these unarmed ships is in order. HIG, they ever have a contingent of marines on board these type ships? i'm thinking no...
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Total rogue China melt down at sea...Nothing State sponsered...probably been watching too many reruns of 24
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