Dear Right...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

1. Then why the hell did Bush I and Clinton close military bases
in this city thereby SAVING govt. money? THis type of blanket
statement is just pure BS. Radar totally locked in.

2. Scares me to death... but so does having the flow of money
grind to a halt. What will happen if we let these large banks fail?
Nothing? There are tons of diff. opinions on what will happen immediately after they fall.

3. Fine. Then call a frggn spade a frggn spade. Haliburton is a
Nationalized company? As are other defense contractors that
build specialty items. And is it possible that they pull a little
too much money from taxpayers? So they are the only ones...
is it possible that they cheat,oh forget about it because they
are the only ones that can build. Good for the economy my arse.
They steal money from taxpayers just like people who dont belong on
welfare.

Closing unnecessary bases and military spending on the whole are two entirely separate issues

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Closing unnecessary bases and military spending on the whole are two entirely separate issues

They are not separate issues.
The military spends money on military bases.
People lost unnecessary jobs...

So military spending can be wasteful.
I thought we agreed that a whole bunch of money
thrown at any agency by the govt. will produce waste.

There are a heck of a lot of good underpaid men and
women that deserve more money that do some of
the most difficult work of any US citizen. They
risk their mental health, their family structure- it is
a gigantic sacrifice.

And there are a hell of a lot of wasteful paper pushers
in the military. I know some of them. In the reserves
especially.

In general, as institutions get larger and complex,
oversight gets more difficult and waste occurs.
This is why I personally am
so fond of small businesses (like you run).

In a large frame of reference:

An entirely free market system does not exist in this country and never has. The government has always been involved in economic affairs varying in degree. At certain points in our history the economy has cratered and debates rage over the extent of government involvement in economic issues. A spectrum of beliefs reveal themselves.

The extremes:

RIGHT: Too much government involvement fostered, ignited, created an economic downturn and more government involvement will prolong, or even irreparably damage the economy.

LEFT: The market in this country is unable to regulate itself and the government has a major responsibility to restore the economy through whatever means necessary. Massive government intervention is not only necessary, but a duty. Our country needs a much more socialistic flavor.

If anyone wishes to push the extremes out further, please do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

In a large frame of reference:

An entirely free market system does not exist in this country and never has. The government has always been involved in economic affairs varying in degree. At certain points in our history the economy has cratered and debates rage over the extent of government involvement in economic issues. A spectrum of beliefs reveal themselves.

The extremes:

RIGHT: Too much government involvement fostered, ignited, created an economic downturn and more government involvement will prolong, or even irreparably damage the economy.

LEFT: The market in this country is unable to regulate itself and the government has a major responsibility to restore the economy through whatever means necessary. Massive government intervention is not only necessary, but a duty. Our country needs a much more socialistic flavor.

If anyone wishes to push the extremes out further, please do.

It is far more complex than this.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is far more complex than this.

This is why I put a large frame of reference and called it
a spectrum. I think it is a good summary.

Primarily because I wrote it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

They are not separate issues.
The military spends money on military bases.
People lost unnecessary jobs...

So military spending can be wasteful.
I thought we agreed that a whole bunch of money
thrown at any agency by the govt. will produce waste.

There are a heck of a lot of good underpaid men and
women that deserve more money that do some of
the most difficult work of any US citizen. They
risk their mental health, their family structure- it is
a gigantic sacrifice.

And there are a hell of a lot of wasteful paper pushers
in the military. I know some of them. In the reserves
especially.

In general, as institutions get larger and complex,
oversight gets more difficult and waste occurs.
This is why I personally am
so fond of small businesses (like you run).

Welcome to the "new America