3/7 (AQU): Gotham S. (Gr. III); Toboggan H. (Gr. III)

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

You all are missing my point. I'm not endorsing POTN at all. Not one bit. I too think he's a turf horse, but regardless, the fact he beat IWR who then came back to win today helps legitimate POTN's ability to a certain extent. What extent is that? Who knows. Time will tell.

Again, why does it legitimize POTN's ability? IWR looks to be two different horses on the two surfaces. POTN beat the synthetic IWR, not the dirt one. It's like elevating Red Rocks because Curlin won the Woodward after losing to him in the Man O' War.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Again, why does it legitimize POTN's ability? They're two different surfaces. POTN beat the synthetic IWR, not the dirt one.

exactly. also, varying distances can have an effect. one perhaps will like shorter, the other, longer. but i do think it's doubtful that a bunch of calis are going to all take to dirt. or that the horses they've been beating on syns might not be able to turn the tables later....or be able to catch their peers as they continue to mature.

[Travis Stone]

I have spent more time on this thread than it's worth. Time for a beer.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I have spent more time on this thread than it's worth. Time for a beer.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Damn, not the eye roll.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Damn, not the eye roll.

I asked you a question and you couldn't answer it, so now this thread isn't worth your time. I think that deserves some rolling eyes. But I digress.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I asked you a question and you couldn't answer it, so now this thread isn't worth your time. I think that deserves some rolling eyes. But I digress.

I didn't even see your question, my bad.

Again, why does it legitimize POTN's ability? IWR looks to be two different horses on the two surfaces. POTN beat the synthetic IWR, not the dirt one. It's like elevating Red Rocks because Curlin won the Woodward after losing to him in the Man O' War.

First off, I'm not elevating Red Rocks at all. He's not the same horse anymore.

And you're right, POTN beat the synthetic IWR. But the synthetic IWR was good enough to only lose to POTN by a... nose. Now we see the dirt IWR is pretty good, so if POTN were to handle dirt, then well based upon this comparative handicapping, it makes for another element of discussion. Which is all I was doing. Not proclaiming POTN as the Derby winner by any stretch. The wording in my original post was poor, and cause people to freak out with their keyboards a bit. My bad.

[Cannon Shell]

Imperial Council while hampered by a slow pace, had a flawless rail trip, never had a straw in his path. His catching Mr Fantasy was more a reflection of Mr Fantasy's limitations than Imperial Councils strength. Haynesfield was terrible. This may have looked like a good field on paper but it sure doesnt look very goo outside the winner afterwards.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This may have looked like a good field on paper but it sure doesnt look very goo outside the winner afterwards.

Agreed, and while the winner ran a pretty good race, I don't see him as a triple crown horse, which is ultimately what these 3yo preps ask.