3/7 (AQU): Gotham S. (Gr. III); Toboggan H. (Gr. III)

[Travis Stone]

You all are missing my point. I'm not endorsing POTN at all. Not one bit. I too think he's a turf horse, but regardless, the fact he beat IWR who then came back to win today helps legitimate POTN's ability to a certain extent. What extent is that? Who knows. Time will tell.

The derby winner is not coming out of that race. That doesn't mean that a few of the participants couldn't make waves in other big races.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

You all are missing my point. I'm not endorsing POTN at all. Not one bit. I too think he's a turf horse, but regardless, the fact he beat IWR who then came back to win today helps legitimate POTN's ability to a certain extent. What extent is that? Who knows. Time will tell.

Fine, but that's not what you said. You said IWR's win makes the "Will POTN handle dirt question" more intriguing.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by justindew

Fine, but that's not what you said. You said IWR's win makes the "Will POTN handle dirt question" more intriguing.

... we're kinda talking in circles but I meant it as if he does handle the dirt, he could be really good. But again, that's a big if on the dirt point.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

You all are missing my point. I'm not endorsing POTN at all. Not one bit. I too think he's a turf horse, but regardless, the fact he beat IWR who then came back to win today helps legitimate POTN's ability to a certain extent. What extent is that? Who knows. Time will tell.

not necessarily. POTN has the edge on syns-what that has to do with judging either horses ability on dirt i don't know. POTN might still manhandle IWR on dirt, or he might be in the back of the pack-or somewhere in between. they would have to square off on the real deal to get an accurate read on them.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

You all are missing my point. I'm not endorsing POTN at all. Not one bit. I too think he's a turf horse, but regardless, the fact he beat IWR who then came back to win today helps legitimate POTN's ability to a certain extent. What extent is that? Who knows. Time will tell.

Again, why does it legitimize POTN's ability? IWR looks to be two different horses on the two surfaces. POTN beat the synthetic IWR, not the dirt one. It's like elevating Red Rocks because Curlin won the Woodward after losing to him in the Man O' War.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Again, why does it legitimize POTN's ability? They're two different surfaces. POTN beat the synthetic IWR, not the dirt one.

exactly. also, varying distances can have an effect. one perhaps will like shorter, the other, longer. but i do think it's doubtful that a bunch of calis are going to all take to dirt. or that the horses they've been beating on syns might not be able to turn the tables later....or be able to catch their peers as they continue to mature.

[Travis Stone]

I have spent more time on this thread than it's worth. Time for a beer.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I have spent more time on this thread than it's worth. Time for a beer.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Damn, not the eye roll.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Damn, not the eye roll.

I asked you a question and you couldn't answer it, so now this thread isn't worth your time. I think that deserves some rolling eyes. But I digress.

[Cannon Shell]

Imperial Council while hampered by a slow pace, had a flawless rail trip, never had a straw in his path. His catching Mr Fantasy was more a reflection of Mr Fantasy's limitations than Imperial Councils strength. Haynesfield was terrible. This may have looked like a good field on paper but it sure doesnt look very goo outside the winner afterwards.