Change We've Been Waiting For?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The problem Bob is the corruption in places like this is staggering. In mending fences you need to publicize the fact, that this money (hopefully in the form of food and medical supplies) is going to the people of Palestine, to the people there. Remember that there is no Fox News/NBC, right/left balance in the media there to give both sides of the street. The fact that Hamas is the governing body in Palestine means that lots of that money will be flowing to them regardless of what the UN is saying or doing. When we talk about mending fences we have to remember that Hamas was elected by the people there to lead them. Think about the fact that they saw a terrorist organization as the best option. A terrorist organization that pays the families of kids that blow themselves up. If you think that we are going to get a whole lot of credit for the aid from the people i believe that you are being extremely optimistic. If you believe that this is an olive branch to the other countries in the Middle East, I think you are on the right track. Personally I dont think the $900 million dollars is anything more than a gesture of good faith by the new administration because as crazy as it sounds $900 million doesnt get you that much anymore. Will it work? Hopefully because the region is vital to the entire worlds interests regardless of whatever Quiet Chris may believe.

I agree with everything you say and am not naive enough to think that this money will end up where it should 100% as much as aid to any other country, including our own Hurricane victims, etc. But if one really thinks that there are just causes for trying to rebuild Gaza, real and/or perceived, then the $900 Million "Olive Branch" is an improvement from the $85 Million that had been on the table previously.

[joeydb]

Ummm, why are we giving ANY foreign aid right now? We can't afford it any longer. This is ridiculous. Keep the money at home where it will do some good. If you can't spend it here, give it back to the taxpayer -- he really needs it right now.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Ummm, why are we giving ANY foreign aid right now? We can't afford it any longer. This is ridiculous. Keep the money at home where it will do some good. If you can't spend it here, give it back to the taxpayer -- he really needs it right now.

Because the Middle East and how it affects us isn't going away because we are in the sh*tter.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Ummm, why are we giving ANY foreign aid right now? We can't afford it any longer. This is ridiculous. Keep the money at home where it will do some good. If you can't spend it here, give it back to the taxpayer -- he really needs it right now.

As Bob said because the ME needs stability. Like it or not we are part of a global economy in which we rely on foreign countries and investors as much as they rely on us. A full scale crisis in the ME can knock things way out of kilter for everyone if oil production and deliveries are affected. Not to mention the fallout from the terror attacks that will surely come and cause collateral damage against Western countries that will be forced to pick a side. Imagine how bad the economy would be if gas was still $4.50 cents a gallon?

[joeydb]

I see your point, but it just seems that all the "foreign aid" is going one way: out of our pockets. And I'm distinguishing foreign aid from trade, where at least products are changing hands, even though we seem to be unable to operate without a trade deficit.

I'm sure this can be reduced. Right now we have a situation where Hamas rocket attacks Israel, Israel has had enough of that so they invade Gaza, where invariably things get busted up like they would in any war zone, and then the United States pays to repair everything after Israel pulls out. That's perverse.

Even in our own military operations, we're paying twice. Once to blow stuff up and again to rebuild. We are suckers in the classic sense.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I see your point, but it just seems that all the "foreign aid" is going one way: out of our pockets. And I'm distinguishing foreign aid from trade, where at least products are changing hands, even though we seem to be unable to operate without a trade deficit.

I'm sure this can be reduced. Right now we have a situation where Hamas rocket attacks Israel, Israel has had enough of that so they invade Gaza, where invariably things get busted up like they would in any war zone, and then the United States pays to repair everything after Israel pulls out. That's perverse.

Even in our own military operations, we're paying twice. Once to blow stuff up and again to rebuild. We are suckers in the classic sense.

The $ is much better spent on Lavish Wednesday night get togethers at the whitehouse. Obama and the dems are quick to judge how companies spend $, but they seem to not hold themselves accountable. 180 enjoyed a nice meal last night on tax payer dollars and it seems that will be the norm going forward, not to mention the fact that he seems to be using Air force 1 as a boy who just got a new toy...

[Smooth Operator]

Wow, GBBob takin' timm behind the wood shed.


Well done, sir




And some very accurate points about many cons MO, by the way






Oh well, back to the grindstone as we try to stay afloat during the Great Wall-Street-Gone-WILD-on-Bush-Cheney-Cox-Paulson-GOP-Watch Depression...

[Antitrust32]

Change that we've been waiting for?

Arizona to win the Pac-10 Championship in football next year.



Take that Booth Operation.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Wow, GBBob takin' timm behind the wood shed.


Well done, sir




And some very accurate points about many cons MO, by the way






Oh well, back to the grindstone as we try to stay afloat during the Great Wall-Street-Gone-WILD-on-Bush-Cheney-Cox-Paulson-GOP-Watch Depression...

sick strut on em ..bob

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Wow, GBBob takin' timm behind the wood shed.


Well done, sir




And some very accurate points about many cons MO, by the way






Oh well, back to the grindstone as we try to stay afloat during the Great Wall-Street-Gone-WILD-on-Bush-Cheney-Cox-Paulson-GOP-Watch Depression...

If you call having a little rant while trying to defend the abysmal start of Obamas presidency.....yeah,man...he really took it to me. MO?...you took Latin?