Havent they done enough to destroy american business?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

what they're thinking is that they have to ram through the entire agenda as fast as possible while they have the political capital. there is little concern at all if its good for the country, that isn't what is important to this bunch right now. its a domestic shock and awe campaign.
the plan is to do exactly what Obama said he would do all along, to radically and fundamentally change America and he's using the financial crisis for cover to get the job done.
the temporary beneficiaries are unions, those on the receiving end of the massive and unsustainable largess, and those who desire to make-over America into something completely different.
I say temporary because all of us will end up losers at the end of the day.

agree

[dellinger63]

The big 3 auto makers need to greatly reduce their pension and benefit liabilities to former and retired employees and get out of their Union contracts. Easiest way for that to happen would be to allow them to go bankrupt not fund them. Of course that will never happen or at least not under Obama.

[ArlJim78]

Bush sucked, yet we can already look back on those 8 years as "the good old days".

[phystech]

Chuck, you have to remember - it's not about the people, it's about the power!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Bush sucked, yet we can already look back on those 8 years as "the good old days".

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Some of the stuff you read on here will make you reconsider everything you thought you knew about human intelligence and perception.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Some of the stuff you read on here will make you reconsider everything you thought you knew about human intelligence and perception.

Thanks for your insight Adam Smith. So you think this "plan" is a good thing? Are you going to use the BWS theory of you have to do something even if it is bad for the vast majority of people because doing nothing wouldnt pay back all the special interest groups that got me in and I really dont know what to do so I will pay these people back and be a hero to the sicko liberals and people who dont work and the clueless people in academia that you seem so enamored of?

^^^Scuds style

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Thanks for your insight Adam Smith. So you think this "plan" is a good thing? Are you going to use the BWS theory of you have to do something even if it is bad for the vast majority of people because doing nothing wouldnt pay back all the special interest groups that got me in and I really dont know what to do so I will pay these people back and be a hero to the sicko liberals and people who dont work and the clueless people in academia that you seem so enamored of?

^^^Scuds style

Actually Chuck, the BWS theory doesn't hold that "doing nothing wouldnt pay back all the special interest groups that got me in" at all.

It holds that doing nothing is a bad idea because watching the economy tank all around you and watching people hurt and deciding that the only thing that will help is to make the rich richer (which seems to have been working really well leading us into this mess, eh?!) is....well, just a bad idea.

You're making it sound far too complicated and far too political.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Thanks for your insight Adam Smith. So you think this "plan" is a good thing? Are you going to use the BWS theory of you have to do something even if it is bad for the vast majority of people because doing nothing wouldnt pay back all the special interest groups that got me in and I really dont know what to do so I will pay these people back and be a hero to the sicko liberals and people who dont work and the clueless people in academia that you seem so enamored of?

^^^Scuds style

Clearly that's what I said. I'm just getting a huge kick out of this thread. Watching the Republicans be the Chicken Littles six weeks into a Democratic presidency when eight years of a disastrous Republican administration caused them no concern is freaking delicious.

I'm reserving my opinion on how well Obama is doing on the economy considering the stimulus just passed last week. I think his closing of Guantanamo and denunciation of torture is a major step in the right direction, and the fact that the unnecessary $2 trillion war that your guy started will end is pretty cool, though I'm not happy with his planned "surge" in Afghanistan. I certainly don't think it's unreasonable or radical to not yet make extreme declarations about his Presidency one way or another.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Bush sucked, yet we can already look back on those 8 years as "the good old days".

This is exactly what I told many of my friends, before the election: "You will miss George Bush". That Mr. O. could do that in 6 weeks surprises me though.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Bush sucked, yet we can already look back on those 8 years as "the good old days".

Quote of the day. It's like you lent Timm your login.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Quote of the day. It's like you lent Timm your login.

What do you think of the job Obama is doing?? I all see him do is spend BILLIONS every single day it seems like. He has to be disappointing everyone so far..

I know I know... its only been 6 weeks. He seems to be the next Jimmy Carter.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

What do you think of the job Obama is doing?? I all see him do is spend BILLIONS every single day it seems like. He has to be disappointing everyone so far..

I know I know... its only been 6 weeks. He seems to be the next Jimmy Carter.

And you expected differently? Some just don't like how he is spending the money ( as compared to the person we aren't allowed to mention anymore)...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

And you expected differently? Some just don't like how he is spending the money ( as compared to the person we aren't allowed to mention anymore)...

I guess I expected (or hoped) that he would be governing from the center... which what I was getting real excited about pre-inaugeration (sp?) when he seemed to be going towards the center.

Instead he is more left than everyone I've seen in my lifetime combined.

I just REALLY hope he doesnt start this Universal Healthcare thing... I'm all for reforming healthcare and making it more affordable (it needs to be - and start with the lawyers who sue the crap out of doctors and hospitals - and then kick the greedy pharmacutical companies in the gonads). Socialized medicine is just such a horrible idea. Obama should go live in a country that has socialized health care and he will change his mind RIGHT away.

[ArlJim78]

i'm glad you all are so upbeat, i don't know how you could be.
with trillion dollar deficits and massive tax hikes, I see nothing but a bleak future. we haven't even begun to experience the pain yet. the worst is ahead of us. worse yet, the guy in charge isn't trying to fix the problem. today he compared the stock market a tracking poll.

[MaTH716]

I don't understand giving 900 million to Hamas, I mean the Palestinians. I could think of a few better ways to spend 900 million.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

What do you think of the job Obama is doing?? I all see him do is spend BILLIONS every single day it seems like. He has to be disappointing everyone so far..

I know I know... its only been 6 weeks. He seems to be the next Jimmy Carter.

I think he's doing the best he can right now. He inherited a gigantic clusterf*ck, no matter which way you look at it. He got wars, an economy in the tank, etc. I don't even care who started it. But the problem is that it's sit idly by and watch it crumble, or try to do something about it. I'm a bigger fan of spending lots of money out of desperation to try to get something to work to turn things around (ie, now), than I am of spending lots of money out of things we just plain old feel like doing (ie, before now). I don't have a knee-jerk aversion to spending money in an attempt to stimulate the economy out of desperation in the same way that conservatives have no knee-jerk aversion to spending money to invade other countries. We just see things differently.

Can't know how it's going to turn out, and he's spending an awful lot of money, but I'm going to reserve judgment for the time being because it's not like he walked into a piece of cake.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

He seems to be the next Jimmy Carter.

I hope we don't get to the point where Carter's administration looks like the good old days!!