Aqu 7th: why no refund on the #10?

[blackthroatedwind]

Did the gate crew hold the horse for 30 seconds?

He never came out for God's sake.

[gales0678]

Andy congarts on the pick 4 , nice hit for you, i had the 10 so it didn't matter as even if he was refunded my $ goes to the #2 and i lose anyway

there was a lot of commotion at the otb , people screaming , i don't even think there was an inquiry posted, the reply clearly showed a member of the gate crew right on the horse as the gate opened , the horse went right up into the top of the gate when it opened , clearly he was not going to be interested in running , but, after all that how does the tri come back that short in that field with all the big $ horses out , if the #10 was refunded the tri would have even come back shorter and looked evem more questionable

[mes5107]

Originally Posted by gales0678

but, after all that how does the tri come back that short in that field with all the big $ horses out , if the #10 was refunded the tri would have even come back shorter and looked evem more questionable

Trifecta pool $196,534.00 less 25% takeout leaves $147,400.50. A $1 trifecta ticket paid $989.50, so there were $148.00 worth of winning trifecta tickets and the breakage was $954.50. That's how it paid that much, unless there's some sort of conspiracy and NYRA is cheating, if that's what your getting at.

A lot of people like to throw a bunch of bombs into a trifecta for that lottery-type ticket. It seems that was the case here.

[gales0678]

an old way to see if the numbers make sense, at least by as i was told by someone who used to do this for a living was to take the win price of the horse and multiply it by the place price and you should get the exacta price witihin a range that seems plausible

if we take 58.5 and times it by 8.6 - we get 503

the exacta paid 329 or 65 % of the value of the win x place of the 1st 2 run

take a look at what the exacta's paid in the 8th and 9 th , vs the win x place value and you will see what i mean

the exacta and tri should have paid a lot more

[blackthroatedwind]

I shouldn't need to explain this, but....

The 2 horse somehow went off at 3:5. Now, this was ridiculous and he was probably closer to even money, or even higher, in exotics. Therefore, the exotics will all look low based on the win prices, when in fact they are very much in line with what the win prices would have been had the 2 been around 6:5.

Telling people on this board that you question anything because the thundering herd at an OTB was incensed hardly increases your credibility. This stuff isn't rocket science, it's pure common sense, and sometimes all you need to do is sit back and think about it.

[gales0678]

i've seen favorites come in third with similar horses running 1 +2 and pay a ton more than 1,900

also the #1 blows the 1st turn and runs into a fence with a jockey falling off , lots of strange things in this folks or maybe i am just paranoid

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I shouldn't need to explain this, but....

The 2 horse somehow went off at 3:5. Now, this was ridiculous and he was probably closer to even money, or even higher, in exotics. Therefore, the exotics will all look low based on the win prices, when in fact they are very much in line with what the win prices would have been had the 2 been around 6:5.

Telling people on this board that you question anything because the thundering herd at an OTB was incensed hardly increases your credibility. This stuff isn't rocket science, it's pure common sense, and sometimes all you need to do is sit back and think about it.

It's very simple.

[gales0678]

what about the P3? here if you parlayed the 3 winners you get back $1493 for a $2 bet yet the p3 pays only $1007

should the p3 pay out more than the parlay , especially if there is a $58 bomb involved

again i'll point to thursday races , look at the parlay of races 5-6-7 for $2 , it is $65 and change , yet the p3 pays over $193 for $2 dollars almost 3x the amount of the win parlay on the winners!

[AeWingnut]

there is a bunch of wise guy money you were dealing with


anyway

there was an inquiry

the bridle broke on Sanchez's horse and I didn't see what happened with your #10 but they had an inquiry for that too.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by mes5107

Trifecta pool $196,534.00 less 25% takeout leaves $147,400.50. A $1 trifecta ticket paid $989.50, so there were $148.00 worth of winning trifecta tickets and the breakage was $954.50. That's how it paid that much, unless there's some sort of conspiracy and NYRA is cheating, if that's what your getting at.

A lot of people like to throw a bunch of bombs into a trifecta for that lottery-type ticket. It seems that was the case here.

lottery numbers fine , but, those type of players usually have the favorite in their somehwere or at least the 2nd choice

all*all*fav/2nd choice or all*fav/2nd choice*all

[gales0678]

if you look at the ex payout on thus for race 7

$510 paid (win x place of 1st 2 runners - $579)

today in the 7th we get an ex that paid $329 and (a win x place of the 1st 2 runners of $503)

[gales0678]

if yu include the show horse you can see what i mean

on thursday r7 the the w x p x s = 2,196 , the tri paid over 2,600

today the tri paid (1979)less than if you multiplied the win x place x show px's (58.5x8.6x5.10 = 2,565)

[blackthroatedwind]

Instead of all this buffoonery, why not read, and try to understand, my post.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by mes5107

Trifecta pool $196,534.00 less 25% takeout leaves $147,400.50. A $1 trifecta ticket paid $989.50, so there were $148.00 worth of winning trifecta tickets and the breakage was $954.50. That's how it paid that much, unless there's some sort of conspiracy and NYRA is cheating, if that's what your getting at.

A lot of people like to throw a bunch of bombs into a trifecta for that lottery-type ticket. It seems that was the case here.

not sure if you are correct on the above, the numbers the public see are after the takeout , so the tri pool from my understanding was $196k

[gales0678]

ok guys in the ny post today:

race 7 - "lots of wierd ways to lose a race"

"as the gates opened the #10 reared up, sat down ,and appeared to be in the hands of the starter at the break, but no refund"

well i guess ed fountaine has no crediblitly either he must be watching these races with me at the local otb parlor

[Danzig]

so, they're supposed to refund when a horse rears up and sits down? how did the starter cause the problem if most of the problem seems to be the horse?

but then, i don't understand how you can ask a guy to explain, suggest meeting him to figure things out, and then tell him he has no credibility anyway. seems a bit of a puzzle there as well.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, they're supposed to refund when a horse rears up and sits down? how did the starter cause the problem if most of the problem seems to be the horse?

but then, i don't understand how you can ask a guy to explain, suggest meeting him to figure things out, and then tell him he has no credibility anyway. seems a bit of a puzzle there as well.

where in any of my posts do i mention a credibility issue, go back and look at the posts and show me where i am questioning his credibiliy

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by gales0678

ok guys in the ny post today:

race 7 - "lots of wierd ways to lose a race"

"as the gates opened the #10 reared up, sat down ,and appeared to be in the hands of the starter at the break, but no refund"

well i guess ed fountaine has no crediblitly either he must be watching these races with me at the local otb parlor

Wow...a horse can rear up, sit down and be in the hands of the starter the entire time. Come on man, this has gone too far. A lot of weird things happened in this race, but in the end, you lost, I lost, and a whole bunch of other people lost. I used the 6 and 7, but never looked at the 3 until the race was over. I was not a big fan of the 2, but I thought he'd be around for at least 3rd. As far as the payouts, this happens all the time. How come people don't say much when the exacta/triple/super comes out a bit higher than the Win/Place parlay?

Andy did an excellent job of explaining all of this and Handicappy gave us his take. It's time to move on and get ready for today's card.

[mes5107]

Originally Posted by gales0678

not sure if you are correct on the above, the numbers the public see are after the takeout , so the tri pool from my understanding was $196k

are you sure about this?

If so, then the original pool was $262,045.33. Kind of a weird number.

Anyways, the point of my post was that there was a small number of winning tickets. When you have a small number, the variance of the payout is huge. One more person who has the winning combination changes the payout by hundreds of dollars. It can go the opposite way as well.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Did the gate crew hold the horse for 30 seconds?

He never came out for God's sake.

You don't have credibilty in this thread after this post.

"For every action there is a reaction" Watch the Head-on again.