2/28-3/1 (GP): FOY (Gr. II); Canadian (Gr. III); Davona Dale (Gr. II)

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Look for another blockbuster speed figure anyway. The race went 3.35 seconds faster than the other mile race on the card.

FreddyMo and the track super he is paying off to quicken the track strike again.

Ummmmm

They're only 'blockbuster' if the horses run back to them.

I find it all comical after all the posts (here and elsewhere) about the high numbers a couple of the horses in the race had turned in last out.

And here I am thinking that JUICE was supposed to be consistent.

[CSC]

Obvious question is who looks better in the Florida Derby assuming that the first 2 finishers go to the Florida Derby.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

Obvious question is who looks better in the Florida Derby assuming that the first 2 finishers go to the Florida Derby.

Quality Road. He showed a new gear today, rated close to a fast pace and drew away convincingly. Theregoesjojo looks like a really nice horse, but thus far he's yet to show enough early speed to be a good bet in the Florida Derby at probably shorter odds than today.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Quality Road. He showed a new gear today, rated close to a fast pace and drew away convincingly. Theregoesjojo looks like a really nice horse, but thus far he's yet to show enough early speed to be a good bet in the Florida Derby at probably shorter odds than today.

You could be right, hard for me to say at the moment, around 2 turns Theregoesjojo may be naturally closer to the pace a point worth noting. The betting surprised me today, 15-1 ML to 9/2...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

You could be right, hard for me to say at the moment, around 2 turns Theregoesjojo may be naturally closer to the pace a point worth noting. The betting surprised me today, 15-1 ML to 9/2...

It didn't surprise me. The Gulfstream morning lines are terrible.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Quality Road. He showed a new gear today, rated close to a fast pace and drew away convincingly. Theregoesjojo looks like a really nice horse, but thus far he's yet to show enough early speed to be a good bet in the Florida Derby at probably shorter odds than today.

He got his first time lasix.
He carried 114 lbs.

This will be the last time for both.

Next race will be interesting.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He got his first time lasix.
He carried 114 lbs.

This will be the last time for both.

Next race will be interesting.

Theregoesjojo carried 116 and Quality Road beat him by 4 1/4. The nearest highweight horse was 8 1/4 lengths behind QR. You can't honestly think this was a major factor.

And Lasix either helps a horse or it doesn't. It's not something that helps the first time, then stops having any effect.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Theregoesjojo carried 116 and Quality Road beat him by 4 1/4. The nearest highweight horse was 8 1/4 lengths behind QR. You can't honestly think this was a major factor.

And Lasix either helps a horse or it doesn't. It's not something that helps the first time, then stops having any effect.

It is clearly something that can help improve a performance 1st time
after it is used.

And if you are implying lasix will keep helping improve
a horse past the 1st or 2nd that is not true. The real question is does the
horse move forward physically (not medically because the horse will stay on lasix)
off a very good performance in which the horse had some advantages.
Both horses had some weight advantages.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Theregoesjojo carried 116 and Quality Road beat him by 4 1/4. The nearest highweight horse was 8 1/4 lengths behind QR. You can't honestly think this was a major factor.

No.
I dont. not major.
But it did not hurt.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Quality Road. He showed a new gear today, rated close to a fast pace and drew away convincingly.

There was a time when I would have never believed that a son of Elusive Quality could win a major race at a classic distance. He already has sired a Kentucky Derby winner in Smarty Jones and last years Breeders Cup Classic winner Raven Pass.

I think he's without question the fastest horse Bill Mott ever trained. Back before they reconfigured Gulfstream - it was a very speed friendly track. Elusive Quality ran only two times there in his life - and posted Beyers of 122 and 123 in those two races. As fast as he was, he amazingly never won a stake race on dirt.





And from the fastest sprinter Mott ever trained .... to probably the worst horse Mott has trained in the last 20 years ... I give you Kobla ... the mother of Quality Road.



Pretty impressive two race career.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There was a time when I would have never believed that a son of Elusive Quality could win a major race at a classic distance. He already has sired a Kentucky Derby winner in Smarty Jones and last years Breeders Cup Classic winner Raven Pass.

I think he's without question the fastest horse Bill Mott ever trained. Back before they reconfigured Gulfstream - it was a very speed friendly track. Elusive Quality ran only two times there in his life - and posted Beyers of 122 and 123 in those two races. As fast as he was, he amazingly never won a stake race on dirt.





And from the fastest sprinter Mott ever trained .... to probably the worst horse Mott has trained in the last 20 years ... I give you Kobla ... the mother of Quality Road.



Pretty impressive two race career.

stark contrast there!

[cakes44]

I only got one look at it, but didn't Theregoesjojo completely wipe out the #1 at the break? Not that I'm complaining because I actually had him.

[justindew]

Does anyone make anything of the fact that Quality Road isn't a Triple Crown nominee?

I mean it's only $600 to nominate. And now it will cost $6,000.

Odd.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

And here I am thinking that JUICE was supposed to be consistent.

Whoever said anything about juice?

A suspected "juiced" horse is technically supposed to explode in one race or sometimes two or three races and just fall apart at the seems totally there after.

The crazy thing about these super trainers - is that they seem to have alchemistic powers and get these huge move-ups and keep horses going strong for many races and sometimes through long (albeit well spaced) campaigns. Dutrow is no doubt one of them.

If you're curious as to how I bet this specific race .. I did bet the big figure horses. Go ahead and mock me about it all you want if it makes you feel any better.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you're curious as to how I bet this specific race .. I did bet the big figure horses. Go ahead and mock me about it all you want if it makes you feel any better.

How does that make me feel better? The big figure horses also happened to be the 'wipe-out' winners, so don't think that I wasn't, almost, right behind you. I bet Beethoven and still couldn't get it done. Tell you who really had balls: those taking 5:1 on the winner.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Tell you who really had balls: those taking 5:1 on the winner.

I agree. He took a hell of a lot of money.

[Bobby Fischer]

This Ones For Phil was in good shape - until he ran a 21.72 second quarter

I bet TOFP and Theregoesjojo to win. SamePage and Quality Road and maybe even Taqarub were supposed to duel on a 21.72 1st quarter with Prado carefully keeping TOFP out of the pace duel,
but the rest is history...

Quality Road ran back to his debut race. He's a nice horse, he's better than War Pass was at this time last year, and Quality Road can actually press as well as lead.

Lets be honest - this was a good field, but it's not really what its hyped up to be as "One of the Best Derby Preps in ages...". Most of these horses aren't classic distance horses. It was a nice field of sprinters and milers coming together with a lot of big figures.
Maybe if you get some of the sprinters out of the way it could help a horse like Quality Road even more in the Florida Derby he gets to relax up front.

They ran all ran pretty well to form - the race tactics and pace scenario just didn't materialize the way you would expect.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

This Ones For Phil was in good shape - until he ran a 21.72 second quarter

I bet TOFP and Theregoesjojo to win. SamePage and Quality Road and maybe even Taqarub were supposed to duel on a 21.72 1st quarter with Prado carefully keeping TOFP out of the pace duel,
but the rest is history...

Quality Road ran back to his debut race. He's a nice horse, he's better than War Pass was at this time last year, and Quality Road can actually press as well as lead.

Lets be honest - this was a good field, but it's not really what its hyped up to be as "One of the Best Derby Preps in ages...". Most of these horses aren't classic distance horses. It was a nice field of sprinters and milers coming together with a lot of big figures.
Maybe if you get some of the sprinters out of the way it could help a horse like Quality Road even more in the Florida Derby he gets to relax up front.

They ran all ran pretty well to form - the race tactics and pace scenario just didn't materialize the way you would expect.

I didn't get that...I'm more interested in the Gotham than I was of this race.
Solid race from Quality Road though.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I didn't get that...I'm more interested in the Gotham than I was of this race.
Solid race from Quality Road though.

Totally agree. But Quality Road was freakish here. Staying that close to such a suicidal pace and then closing with a 23 (I think). Very eye openning. Now onto the excitement of the Gotham!

[letswastemoney]

I'm impressed with Quality Road. Theregoesjojo had the race set up for him though, so it wasn't as impressive.