Baffert, Point Given among Hall of Fame finalists

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How can Point Given belong in any Hall of Fame?

you don't think he should be there? wasn't he the first to win four million dollar races in a row? still the only one to do it too, isn't he? if i had to choose, i'd go with tiznow between the two tho.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you don't think he should be there? wasn't he the first to win four million dollar races in a row? still the only one to do it too, isn't he? if i had to choose, i'd go with tiznow between the two tho.

Oh, wow, he won four million dollar races?

He must be the best horsey ever.

He lost way too many races as a 2YO, whether he was best in them or not, and while he won some big races, and was a very good horse ( better, in fact, than the greatest horse ever, Big Brown ), he had an injury shortened career. He never faced olders.

Next.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Oh, wow, he won four million dollar races?

He must be the best horsey ever.

He lost way too many races as a 2YO, whether he was best in them or not, and while he won some big races, and was a very good horse ( better, in fact, than the greatest horse ever, Big Brown ), he had an injury shortened career. He never faced olders.

Next.

yeah, that's true.
but i think we'll continue to see horses that probably don't belong in there-because what alternative is there, other than to see none inducted in future? i don't even get much excitement at the thought of tiznow going in-he had his moments, but he doesn't have an overwhelming career.
isn't that what they should have?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, that's true.
but i think we'll continue to see horses that probably don't belong in there-because what alternative is there, other than to see none inducted in future? i don't even get much excitement at the thought of tiznow going in-he had his moments, but he doesn't have an overwhelming career.
isn't that what they should have?

Unfortunately, that's what we are looking at happening because not too many from this era deserve it. It's sad because it's not the fault of the horses because they don't chose to be raced five times a year and retired after their 3yo seasons.

Maybe there should be a new wing added. Or an asterisk applied and call this the "modern era" and have the pre-1980 horses on one side and the post-1980 horses on the other. I wouldn't even do that though. I'd just list all of the eligible horse and anyone of them that gets 90% of the vote goes in. Instead of lowering the standards, how about raising them.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Oh, wow, he won four million dollar races?

He must be the best horsey ever.

He lost way too many races as a 2YO, whether he was best in them or not, and while he won some big races, and was a very good horse ( better, in fact, than the greatest horse ever, Big Brown ), he had an injury shortened career. He never faced olders.

Next.

We don't know what Point Given would have done, but he was certainly no ordinary horse, even by G1 standards. As discussed, he is the only horse to win 4 straight million dollar races in a 6 for 7 campaign at 3. He missed being the 2yo champ by a desperate nose to Macho Uno in the BC Juvenile.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

We don't know what Point Given would have done, but he was certainly no ordinary horse, even by G1 standards. As discussed, he is the only horse to win 4 straight million dollar races in a 6 for 7 campaign at 3. He missed being the 2yo champ by a desperate nose to Macho Uno in the BC Juvenile.

Let me see if I have this straight.....horses belong in the Hall of Fame if they are close to being 2YO champions and not ordinary?

OK....gotcha.

When the hell is Jeannie Jones getting in anyway?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me see if I have this straight.....horses belong in the Hall of Fame if they are close to being 2YO champions and not ordinary?

OK....gotcha.

When the hell is Jeannie Jones getting in anyway?

as soon as she quits HRTV

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

We don't know what Point Given would have done, but he was certainly no ordinary horse, even by G1 standards. As discussed, he is the only horse to win 4 straight million dollar races in a 6 for 7 campaign at 3. He missed being the 2yo champ by a desperate nose to Macho Uno in the BC Juvenile.

i don't think you should get voted in based on what people think you could have done had the shed not called. i only mentioned the four big races in a row because i figured that's why people would vote for him. but as btw said, he never faced older either.
certainly the bar is not set as high as it used to be, which is a shame. and if less is acceptable, i'd imagine that's what we'll keep getting.