Baffert, Point Given among Hall of Fame finalists

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Sky Beauty was coming off a far more taxing effort in the CCA Oaks, also run at 10F, which was far from her optimal trip.

Yeah - she won that one with just a 96 Beyer.

The same 96 Beyer that Silverbulletday got in the Belmont where she set a strong pace while head and head with the Derby and Preakness winner.

... ah, the Belmont, always an easy race for a heavily raced 3yo filly to bounce right back from.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yeah - she won that one with just a 96 Beyer.

The same 96 Beyer that Silverbulletday got in the Belmont where she set a strong pace while head and head with the Derby and Preakness winner.

... ah, the Belmont, always an easy race for a heavily raced 3yo fily to bounce right back from.

Sorry but everything in racing cannot be reduced to a speed figure, and who's to say what helped SBD bounce back so quickly from her Belmont.

The fact is that SBD had more time between her race in the (shorter, easier) Monmouth Oaks and the Alabama than Sky Beauty did between the (longer, tougher) CCA Oaks and her Alabama.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Sorry but everything in racing cannot be reduced to a speed figure, and who's to say what helped SBD bounce back so quickly from her Belmont.

You really need to see a speed figure to know her workman like wins over an allowance horse like Future Pretense were lackluster performances?

You really need to see a speed figure to see that going head-to-head with Charismatic through wicked fractions in a 12 furlong race like the Belmont is a taxing thing for a 3yo filly?

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The fact is that SBD had more time between her race in the (shorter, easier) Monmouth Oaks and the Alabama than Sky Beauty did between the (longer, tougher) CCA Oaks and her Alabama.

Sky Beauty had over a month between the CCAO and Alabama - and that was back in the 90's when over a month was like too much time between starts.

Sorry but everything in racing cannot be reduced to lame excuses that horseman use to explain away subpar performance ... though I can assure you that Allen Jerkens never would say that 5 weeks wasn't enough time between races.

How laughably stupid.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You really need to see a speed figure to know her workman like wins over an allowance horse like Future Pretense were lackluster performances?

You really need to see a speed figure to see that going head-to-head with Charismatic through wicked fractions in a 12 furlong race like the Belmont is a taxing thing for a 3yo filly?



Sky Beauty had over a month between the CCAO and Alabama - and that was back in the 90's when over a month was like too much time between starts.

Sorry but everything in racing cannot be reduced to lame excuses that horseman use to explain away subpar performance ... though I can assure you that Allen Jerkens never would say that 5 weeks wasn't enough time between races.

How laughably stupid.

Look, all I said to start this discussion was to observe that Sky Beauty was an exhausted horse the day she won the Alabama. I don't need a speed figure to tell me anything. I'm not the one quoting them like they are some sort of gospel truth. If you feel compelled to use a speed figure to justify your opinion or say that the performance was subpar, that's your prerogative. And it's fine by me. I simply thought that Sky Beauty showed a lot of heart and class when she won the Alabama. Nothing more, nothing less.

The "laughably stupid" comment in this thread was your statement that SBD was "more exhausted" in the Alabama because she had run more times over more race tracks. No reasonable person in attendance at Saratoga for either filly's Alabama (and I was there both days) would have said that Silverbulletday was more exhausted in the Alabama. Later that fall, SBD probably was exhausted, as evidenced by her dismal performance behind Beautiful Pleasure in the BC Distaff, but not at Saratoga.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The "laughably stupid" comment in this thread was your statement that SBD was "more exhausted" in the Alabama because she had run more times over more race tracks. No reasonable person in attendance at Saratoga for either filly's Alabama (and I was there both days) would have said that Silverbulletday was more exhausted in the Alabama.

Nice job failing to detect my sarcasam Pedigree Ann Light.

No kidding Silverbulletday wasn't exhausted when she won the Alabama by 9 lengths with a 115 Beyer.

Actually - I'm thinking it's more like Pedigree Ann Ice instead of Pedigree Ann Light ...

she is the master of the silly spin and even she wouldn't argue that five weeks wasn't enough time between starts.

I never said Sky Beauty isn't Hall of Fame material either. However, your painfully silly explanation as to why she performed so poorly in the Alabama deserves it's own wing next to old PG 1985 quotes in the DT Hall of fame.

[slotdirt]

Am I the only one that just went looking for the DT Hall of Fame? PG 1985 was clearly exhausted when DaHoss whooped him in the great handicapping contest.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yeah, if only he had more than five weeks to prepare for Hossy.

[ArlJim78]

Baffert himself is certainly HOF worthy imo. I wasn't always such a fan but the last two years did it for me, especially getting back to back big years from both Indian Blessing and Midnite Lute, on top of all his prior successes of course.

[King Glorious]

When you have to have this much debate on whether or not a horse should be in, should that horse really be in? Shouldn't the hall of famer be for the very best of the best, not just the really good in comparison to's?