Beyer pens post script after sit-down with Wolfson

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The Olympics have the best testing out there and in addition they freeze samples that they can test down the line. So if Phelps was on something we'll find out down the line. That makes me a lot more willing to give the benefit of the doubt to him. Horse racing has taken the first step towards doing this and it would be fantastic if it could be put in place universally so that anyone who is using something undetectable now can be caught if a test is found for it later.

I have very little confidence in anything the Olympics does when it comes to testing, even if they do not find something, the cheaters can always be one step ahead. The point I guess I am trying to make is no one is out from under the umbrella of suspicion, Which really isn't fair to the select few clean atheletes.

The thing about Phelps is he's been a world class swimmer throughout his career. He was tops in the world for his age group from 11 years old till now. He's more of a genetic freak than a cheat. Wouldn't shock me if he was taking something...but really he'd smoke his competition without it.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The thing about Phelps is he's been a world class swimmer throughout his career. He was tops in the world for his age group from 11 years old till now. He's more of a genetic freak than a cheat. Wouldn't shock me if he was taking something...but really he'd smoke his competition without it.

Exactly... Tiger too. Was a freak at 3, 8, 13, 18, 23, 28.

Of course A-Rod was a freak as a junior baseball player in south Florida, and that turkey still found it necessary to take stuff (and lie about it)

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Originally Posted by philcski

Exactly... Tiger too. Was a freak at 3, 8, 13, 18, 23, 28.

Of course A-Rod was a freak as a junior baseball player in south Florida, and that turkey still found it necessary to take stuff (and lie about it)

The thing is Tiger's trainer was ARod's also....umm...look at his physique and one has to atleast wonder. Both he and AROD got alot bigger when they got with this trainer.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

The thing is Tiger's trainer was ARod's also....umm...look at his physique and one has to atleast wonder. Both he and AROD got alot bigger when they got with this trainer.

I doubt steroids could help a golfer much.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I doubt steroids could help a golfer much.

bulky muscles would make it more difficult to golf.

Kind of like breasts.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

bulky muscles would make it more difficult to golf.

Kind of like breasts.

or he could grow breasts and require gynocomastia surgery.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I doubt steroids could help a golfer much.

theoretically you could practice longer at the range because you'd have more endurance and a quicker bounceback, but that seems like a pretty flimsy argument overall.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I would think the best way to cheat at golf would be to use a souped up club or ball or something like that.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by philcski

theoretically you could practice longer at the range because you'd have more endurance and a quicker bounceback, but that seems like a pretty flimsy argument overall.

When you are playing golf all the time and practicing at the range... your body gets into golf shape pretty quickly and its not very physically stressing. Its much more Mentally stressing!! Its not like the pro's carry their bag all day either.

I cant say I've ever looked at a golfer and thought "man that dude looks like hes on juice". I think steriods would have a reverse effect in golf.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I doubt steroids could help a golfer much.

I doubt it would help someone with a 18 handicap, but it could help someone who is a very good golfer become even better. I get your point, there are many variables that make a golfer good, strength is only one factor, but perhaps more importantly droids allow you to train more, or atleast more painfree. It allows muscles to recover at a faster rate and that can only be a good thing when you are playing competitive golf in my opinion.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by CSC

The thing is Tiger's trainer was ARod's also....umm...look at his physique and one has to atleast wonder. Both he and AROD got alot bigger when they got with this trainer.

are you sure they have the same trainer? Tiger's trainer is Keith Kleven, I couldn't find any links that suggested A-Rod has used him.

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Originally Posted by philcski

are you sure they have the same trainer? Tiger's trainer is Keith Kleven, I couldn't find any links that suggested A-Rod has used him.

Apparently, this is the only mention I could find on a google search.

http://theglobalexpress.blogspot.com...-baseball.html

I suspect we may hear more in the future.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by CSC

Apparently, this is the only mention I could find on a google search.

http://theglobalexpress.blogspot.com...-baseball.html

I suspect we may hear more in the future.

Unless there's something he knows that we don't, that guy is categorically incorrect. There is no print record of ARod using Kleven that I could find.

Originally Posted by saratoga guy

I'm not sure that it is...

Maybe a better comparison is to Mike Krzyzewski or Bobby Knight. Both coached at Army early on and both had winning records there.

Mike Krzyzewski was about 55% at Army. Knight was 59%.

Krzyzewski moved on to Duke where he's more like 77%. Knight went to Indiana University where he won around 73%.

They won at Army where they attracted the attention of bigger programs -- with more money and recruiting power. Plus, it's probably safe to assume that, like anything else, the more time you put in the more you learn about the process.

Sure, we shouldn't be naive and not at least question some of the numbers the so-called "super-trainers" put up -- but by the same token, we should also question our suspicions and be fair about painting with a broad brush.

I don't have year-by-year Wolfson stats in front of me in order to address the turnaround asserted by Indomitable -- but certainly Wolfson didn't just appear on the scene a couple of years back to make an impression. He's been around and training at a high-level for quite some time. For instance, Chaposa Springs was a prolific stakes winner (including a couple of G1s) for Wolfson in the mid-90s.

You're kidding me right?!?!?

Winning at 55% or 59% at ARMY is like winning at 90% at Duke!!! It's the most impossible program to coach in Division I Basketball!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The thing about Phelps is he's been a world class swimmer throughout his career. He was tops in the world for his age group from 11 years old till now. He's more of a genetic freak than a cheat. Wouldn't shock me if he was taking something...but really he'd smoke his competition without it.

or other things.